Missing ICC profile - Bug or design?

Illustrator CC - .AI file "This document does not have an embedded CMYK profile"....
I expected to see this in a 1998 version, perhaps in 2004, but now? In 2014? I'm astounded - is this a bug or by design?
Colour settings are configured for the suite: Fogra39 / sRGB with all the preserve embedded / ask options checked.
Nick.

I beg to disagree; as a photographer I had to learn how the system worked. I started using the ColorSync system back in 1995 when it was first created. I then took this further and worked with a lot of major organisations (Canon / Reuters / Getty / Apple) to explain this to others.
The system is fool-proof, and with a very small amount of learning, accurate colour is maintained from capture to reproduction.
Forgive me for the next bit: designers have in the past had the luxury of systems like Pantone to work with and everyone used a Pantone swatch to check the colour from computer to print. Like printers, very few designers (I have worked with hundreds) needed to use the ICC system, and no-one calibrated screens (few still do). Once digital photographs were introduced to the system, the problems began. Illustrator has followed this lead and has been patchy in 'proper' support of icc profiles. The failure to embed a profile in a file now, so many years down the line though is not forgivable - unless it is a bug.

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Hallo,
I've a question to *.icc Profiles and Adobe Lightroom 3.5. I saved 10 *icc profiles for different types of printing (for example on acrylglas, different photo papers, on aluminium) wich I got from an online printing service. But if I want to select a specific profile for an jpeg export I just got a selection of 6 profiles; 4 profiles are not shown. Any idea why?
With kind regards
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Thanks for Your reply.
I checked the directory - all correct. No profiles under "include" display profiles2
I took another look at the *.icc files - the four missing files are the biggest ones; all 1.830 kb. All other files's size is max. 1.449 kb. Maybe this is the reason that the files are not shown by LR 3.5; maybe they are just to big ?
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P.S. (one minute later...)
Searching the forum I found this for a similiar question:
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Good advice so far and it is good that you ask these questions.
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(this topic was confirmed on another list before posting here).
One may be working on an image that has a different colour profile
than set as default in colour settings. For example, colour settings
has Adobe RGB while the current document is in ProPhoto RGB. If the
ProPhoto RGB (16 bpc) file is taken to 32 bpc mode, the status message
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since version 6, the document can reside in a space that is
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document to working RGB.
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Sincerely,
Stephen Marsh

Can anyone post a supporting argument for the current behaviour (design or bug). While in 32 bpc Photoshop "knows" what the original profile is (it is listed as being in a linear state), while on default conversion to lower bit depth the data is converted to working RGB, rather than the document RGB prior to conversion (if different to working RGB). Am I missing something - is this a good thing, should this be behaviour be changed?
OK, topic drift it is!
Buko/progress, it is not so much bit depth in this case, it is gamma encoding - or lack thereof. 32 bpc mode processes in linear gamma, which can have an effect on some operations for certain receptive image content (tonal moves, USM, interpolation etc).
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http://forensicphotoshop.blogspot.com/2008/11/resize-smaller-part-2.html
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I don't like linear USM for output sharpening (nasty dark halo artifacts). However, for subtle capture/acquisition sharpening linear USM may be preferred for certain images. I generally sharpen with blend if sliders limiting the intensity of the light halo, which comes close to one aspect of linear sharpening (light halo reduction). This can also be achieved by blending the USM in two separate layers, set to darken and lighten blending with reduced opacity.
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Regards,
Stephen Marsh

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Striebig wrote:
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