Missing red color in adobe RGB

I shoot raw with Nikon Camera. I am having a problem with getting red color in photoshop. . For nef files, I open them in Capture NX2 and then save as jpg in Photoshop. The jpg image was opened in Photoshop CS5 with a color setting of sRGB, beatiful red color is seen on the screen. When the same.file was opened in in Photoshop CS5 with a color setting of AdobeRGB ("aRBG"). the red color turned into orange color.
As shown here, the only difference in color is red hue between sRBG and aRGB. This is not an isolated case. All of my pictures look like that. When printed on Canon i9900 inkjet printer under "Photosbhop Manages Colors setting, red color comes out in orange color. But printing under Printer Manges Colors" setting, they came to be close to red color. I do not understand why aRBG does not produce red color. Could someone explain to me why?
PS: I could not upload two pictures (sRBG and aRBG). It seems that inserting image was disabled.

hummer777 wrote:
The jpg image was opened in Photoshop CS5 with a color setting of sRGB...
When printed on Canon i9900 inkjet printer under "Photosbhop Manages Colors setting...
These statements are vague or functionally incomplete. For example, are you saving your JPEGs with a color profile embedded? When you choose "Photoshop Manages Colors", what profile is set for the printer?
Do you have a basic understanding of color-management?
The kinds of color shifts you're describing can occur if you are assigning a profile different than the one the RGB values are encoded in, or viewing an image encoded in Adobe RGB with a non-color-managed application.
The document color profile needs to match the profile used to encode the RGB values, and the application needs to interpret the color profiles of both the document and the output device for the color to be displayed or printed properly.
May I recommend going out and seeking some primers on basic color management online. Keep in mind a lot of what's published is sometimes misleading or downright inaccurate, because a lot of people have trouble understanding color management at first. Try to avoid advice that says "set it like this", but seek the information that describes how color management actually works, so that you can get your mind around it and make your own informed decisions how to set things up.
-Noel

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