Missing System Folder in Classic

I really need some help here
Purchased an I BOOK G4 notebook .. mostly as a back up for some graphic programs.
It is running a clean copy of OS X version 10.4.11
Classic is missing the system folder and as a result i cant seem to install anything???
Do not have any OS disks with the machine
What are my options??

Hello, and welcome to Apple Discussions!
You will need a source for a valid and installable OS 9.2.2 system for use
as Classic before you can install and use any pre-OS X applications...
And you really need to have an OS X (tiger 10.4) retail or correct install
disc set to support and maintain the system, and its license in the iBook.
The computer model shipped with a machine specific series of install-restore
discs and the OS 9.2.2 Classic would have been on one of them; usually not
the main disc, that has OS X installers on it. Since that computer did not boot
OS 9.2.2, the installer would be specific to the computer; about the only way
to get an OS 9 from an optional OS X install disc, if you have software but no
computer, the OS X has to see and recognize an appropriate installer, though.
Since OS X is primary and OS 9 does not boot an iBook G4, you have to find
a way to install OS 9.2.2 by drag and drop; or get ahold of a correct original
install-restore disc set for that computer from some online source. There is a
small chance that someone may have the right one for your build model iBook
Used to be, you could call Apple sales support at 1-800-MY-APPLE and ask to
speak to a product specialist about replacement original discs for the iBook G4
and provide them with the product's serial number, and order a new replacement
set of install discs, for a reasonable fee. The correct Apple Hardware Test is on
those discs, so that was the best deal going. The original software could have
been a version of Panther 10.3.9, and if the computer CPU was faster than
800MHz it would not dual boot OS 9 and OS X. This is where details matter.
You may be able to identify your iBook by serial number by using the search
link in everymac.com, to help find which iBook G4 model it really is, and then
know more about upgrading it, getting replacement or upgrade software, and
other important facts. Such as what Apple Hardware Test was in original s/w.
Any other OS 9.1 or 9.2(.1) install disc would not work, since they either would
be for some other computer and made to install when booted (C key held on start)
or, would be too old for the direct install method to work, it won't under OS X if
not the correct disc set for the computer.
You may be able to find a way to install an OS 9.1 or OS 9.2 on an external HDD
or flash USB drive, and update it to OS 9.2.2 using download update files, and
then copy (drag/drop) it into an iBook G4, for use as non-boot Classic 9.
On a trial basis and to test some hardware, I was able to use a newer iBook G4
second install disc which contained an OS 9.2.2 install, and use it as Classic in
a different computer running OS X, by use of Pacifist utility. This takes a packet
of data out of the disc and then installs it from the desktop, directly. It can work.
But there are so many variables some of the things that Could Work, may Not.
Some suggest you may be able to make a copy of a working OS 9.2.2 system
folder and an Applications 9 folder from a working computer and use them as
Classic in some other OS X PPC model of Mac that does not boot OS 9.2.2.
You may be able to use a USB flash drive to copy an OS 9.2 system and its
applications (9) folder. You may even be able to test it as a working idea,
while it still is on the USB memory drive; by pointing the Classic preference
panel (in System Preferences) to look for a Classic system there. Or drag
and drop it into the computer. The good about old OS 9.2 & before, is the
simple way to move a system around; and OS X won't allow that method.
And of course, OS X 10.5 Leopard can't use an OS 9.2.2 Classic.
The original install disc set would be the best bet. Is there any chance the seller
may have misplaced the software set belonging to the computer you bought?
These are considered a part number of the computer, as such, part of the sale.
If bought from a company who fixes and resells computers, do they offer any
optional software for an additional fee? The discs should be included, but in
several instances, people buy a computer second-hand and have no software.
You may have to contact resellers and maybe even auction sites, once you can
identify the exact set of software you need; companies such as welovemacs or
others you can search for may have something; most are overpriced, to me.
The ebay auction tales are enough to scare me into keeping the original discs
and include them when I forward the computer to some other future user.
I have not bought any replacement software online, and OS 9.2.2 installers for
a specific OS X running computer, to be used as Classic, narrow the field; since
the OS 9 system installer on iBook disc media is often made for that model.
Well, I have ideas. And they seem to work better for me in person than when
I've told some persons about them online. Just as well, if there's some glitch
you can avoid by finding the correct discs (in the land of plenty) that's good.
To *search " OS 9.2.2 install CD " in google* may bring up some choices,
but I have no experience with retail resellers of old or used software.
In a few cases, if you get very good at identifying iBook G4s, you may
be able to find a broken one exactly like yours with the original software.
These should be relatively inexpensive; but have very limited use discs.
Hope this may help, somewhat...
Good luck & happy computing!
+PS: I think I need a little more coffee!+

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Thanks in advance!

Hi Steve;
Instead of Hypercard, you might want to check into Revolution. There was a discussion of that on this thread; http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=2072745&#2072745
Allan
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Help with installing a internal HD to make a classic system folder.

Ok so I've been having one **** of a time trying to make this classic system folder (earlier thread: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2105407&tstart=0 ).
I have the original OS 9.0.4 disk, I didn't save my system folder when I went OS 10.4 so now I'm trying to make one because I can't make one with just 9.0.4 I need to make a 9.2.2 by just updating using IE 5. Should I install the internal HD as a Master Single, Master w/Slave presets, or just Slave then restart on that HD with my OS 9.0.4 disk in holding down c? Then move a copy of the system folder over to the other HD when I get it upgraded?
Hold on I got another idea just replace the HD that's in it now install 9.0.4 upgrade it then move it to my external if it can read it then put the old HD back in and the new one (which should I put that one back in as slave?) and tada.
Which way do you think will be the easiest and less painful way? Also do I make the second internal HD a Slave and the start up one as a Master w/Slave presets?
Message was edited by: HEMIII

Yep I just got done doin' just what you said and now I'm updating classic as we speak. Of all the questions I've had with trying to get classic to work I wish I would of thought of this first. Thanx for the simplified way of saying it. I'll post this in my other thread too, too bad I can't say I solved it myself, lmao.

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