Miter on Art Brushes

I'm trying to create a tribal tattoo looking design, so I created an art brush that is fixed in width and tapers at the ends since this is the way most of the lines in those tattoos look. The problem I am having is with mitering. If I create any angle that isn't very shallow the miter looks very bad as if the miter limit is set too low, even at miter limit 500. The corner appears chopped off. Is there anything I can do about it? Is there a better way?
Thanks

...even at miter limit 500.
Miter limit setting has nothing to do with ArtBrushes. It only affects ordinary strokes. ArtBrushes try to stretch artwork along a path. The artwork doesn't really get mitered at corner points. It tries to "bend around" the corner, and what you see is what you get.
Depending on the artwork, applying the Round Corners Effect to the spine path is about all you can do, short of expanding the results and manually correcting it.
JET

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https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B0kosHJIs4dTZTE1MjgyM2UtZmZmNi00ZDMwLThiNzAtZGE1OTI3MzFhN jBm&hl=en&authkey=CJvuvO0B
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