Mix FL, Mix RC, and recording q

hi folks
I've just switched over from the asio4all driver to the creative asio drivers to see if a sound-dropout in sonar7 would be alleviated.
Anyway, my question regards the numerous possible driver inputs for the X-Fi Platinum - the choices for inputs are:
Left Creative Windows Asio Rec
Right Creative Windows Asio Rec
Stereo Creative Windows Asio Rec?
Left Creative Mix FL Asio
Right Creative Mix FL Asio
Stereo Creative Mix FL Asio
Left Creative Mix RC Asio
Right Creative Mix RC Asio
etc etc etc
Lilke 25 driver inputs in Sonar.
What do the RC, the FL, and all the other acronmys stand for or do? I cannot find anything in the X-Fi docs that refer to these inputs. Obviously the left/right and stereo inputs are easy enough, but what are the others? Whats the difference between the Windows Rec and the Mix RC or Mix FL or Mix FC?
Thanks?

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For creating the scenario:
CREATE TABLE ALPHA
ALPHA_ID     NUMBER,
ALPHA_NR     NUMBER,
ALPHA_TOTCT     NUMBER,
ALPHA_FUND     NUMBER
ALTER TABLE ALPHA ADD (
     CONSTRAINT ALPHA_PK PRIMARY KEY (ALPHA_ID));
ALTER TABLE ALPHA ADD (
     CONSTRAINT ALPHA_NR_UNI UNIQUE (ALPHA_NR));
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INSERT INTO ALPHA(ALPHA_ID, ALPHA_NR)
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HIST_ID     NUMBER,
HIST_NR NUMBER,
HIST_ALPHA_NR NUMBER,
HIST_CT          NUMBER,
HIST_VAL     NUMBER,
HIST_DATE     DATE
ALTER TABLE HIST ADD (
     CONSTRAINT HIST_PK PRIMARY KEY (HIST_ID));
ALTER TABLE HIST ADD (
     CONSTRAINT HIST_NR_UNI UNIQUE (HIST_NR));
ALTER TABLE HIST ADD (
     CONSTRAINT HIST_ALPHA_NR_FK FOREIGN KEY (HIST_ALPHA_NR) REFERENCES ALPHA ( ALPHA_NR ) );
TRUNCATE TABLE HIST;
INSERT INTO HIST( HIST_ID ,HIST_NR ,HIST_ALPHA_NR ,HIST_CT ,HIST_VAL ,HIST_DATE )
VALUES ( 1 ,1    ,7 ,1 ,10 , TO_DATE('01.02.2009' , 'dd.mm.yyyy' ) );
INSERT INTO HIST( HIST_ID ,HIST_NR ,HIST_ALPHA_NR ,HIST_CT ,HIST_VAL ,HIST_DATE )
VALUES ( 2 ,6    ,7 ,1 ,10 , TO_DATE('01.05.2009' , 'dd.mm.yyyy' ) );
INSERT INTO HIST( HIST_ID ,HIST_NR ,HIST_ALPHA_NR ,HIST_CT ,HIST_VAL ,HIST_DATE )
VALUES ( 3 ,3    ,7 ,3 ,30 , TO_DATE('01.02.2010' , 'dd.mm.yyyy' ) );
INSERT INTO HIST( HIST_ID ,HIST_NR ,HIST_ALPHA_NR ,HIST_CT ,HIST_VAL ,HIST_DATE )
VALUES ( 4 ,4    ,11 ,1 ,10 , TO_DATE('01.03.2009' , 'dd.mm.yyyy' ) );
INSERT INTO HIST( HIST_ID ,HIST_NR ,HIST_ALPHA_NR ,HIST_CT ,HIST_VAL ,HIST_DATE )
VALUES ( 5 ,5    ,11 ,-2 ,-20 , TO_DATE('01.06.2010' , 'dd.mm.yyyy' ) );
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AS
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FROM HIST
GROUP BY HIST_ALPHA_NR;
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CURSOR cur
IS
SELECT
HIST_ALPHA_NR
,TOT_CT
,TOT_VAL
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FOR rec IN cur
LOOP
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table HIST, and this for each alpha_nr. At the end of the report a total from the overview
table alpha.
"SUMMARY";"ALPHA_NR";"ALPHA_TOTCT";"ALPHA_FUND";
;7;5;50;
;7;1;10;01.02.2009
;7;1;10;01.05.2009
;7;3;30;
;11;0;0;
;11;1;10;01.03.2009
;11;-2;-20;01.06.2010
;11;1;10;01.02.2011
;15;3;30;
;15;2;20;01.03.2009
;15;5;50;01.06.2010
;15;-4;-40;01.02.2011
;17;1;10;
;17;1;10;01.03.2011
"TOTAL_ALPHA_NR";4;9;90;Second report should display the overview per time period (year), but the records from
e.g. year 2009 start counting in year 2010. At the end of each year again a summary for
the actual status.
"YEAR";"ALPHA_NR";"ALPHA_TOTCT";"ALPHA_FUND"
2009;7;0;0
;11;0;0
;15;0;0
;17;0;0
"Total 2009";4;0;0
2010;7;2;20
;11;1;10
;15;2;20
;17;0;0
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2011;7;5;50
;11;-1;-10
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"Total 2011";4;11;110
2012;7;5;50
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Hi,
This is quite a different problem from what you first posted.
wucis wrote:
This is what I want to get
ALPHA_DATE     ALPHA_NAME             ALPHA_NR     ALPHA_TOTCT     ALPHA_FUND     TRANS_DATE
01.01.2009      seven                      7             5             50
                                  7          1          10          01.02.2009
                                  7          1          10          01.05.2009
                                  7          3          30          01.02.2010
01.03.2009     eleven                  11          0          0
                                  11          1          10          01.03.2009
                                  11          -2          -20          01.06.2010
                                  11          1          10          01.02.2011
03.05.2010      twelve                  12              0               0
02.02.2009     fifteen               15          3          30
                         15          2          20          01.03.2009
                         15          5          50          01.06.2010
                         15          -4          -40          01.02.2011
10.10.2010      seventeen          17          1          10
                         17          1          10          01.03.2011
            TOTAL_ALPHA_NR          5          9          90
Do you really want to include alphr_nr=12? If so, what do you mean when you say
I have an approach but there are "unnecessary" rows ( the line with just alpha_nr = 12 ) and why don't you want alpha_nr=13?
so my join is buggyExactly! The join
...    from hist, alpha b
WHERE b.alpha_nr = hist.hist_alpha_nr (+) ...means "include all rows from alpha, whether of not they have any corresponding rows in hist or not". If you want to exclude alpha_nrs 12 and 13, you probably want to do an inner join there.
You don't need any sub-queries to do that:
SELECT       CASE
           WHEN GROUPING (h.hist_alpha_nr) = 0
           AND   GROUPING (h.hist_date)     = 1
           THEN MAX (a.alpha_date)
       END                    AS alpha_date
,       CASE
           WHEN GROUPING (h.hist_alpha_nr) = 1
           THEN 'TOTAL_ALPHA_NR'
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           WHEN GROUPING (h.hist_alpha_nr) = 0
           THEN h.hist_alpha_nr
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       END                    AS alpha_nr
,       SUM (h.hist_ct)          AS alpha_totct
,       SUM (h.hist_val)           AS alpha_fund
,       h.hist_date               AS trans_date
FROM       hist        h
,       alpha        a
WHERE       h.hist_alpha_nr     = a.alpha_nr
AND       a.active          = 'Y'
GROUP BY ROLLUP ( hist_alpha_nr
                   , hist_date
ORDER BY GROUPING (h.hist_alpha_nr)
,            h.hist_alpha_nr
,       GROUPING (h.hist_date)          DESC
,       h.hist_date
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ALPHA_DATE ALPHA_NAME        _NR _TOTCT _FUND TRANS_DATE
01.01.2009 seven               7      5    50
                               7      1    10 01.02.2009
                               7      1    10 01.05.2009
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01.03.2009 eleven             11      0     0
                              11      1    10 01.03.2009
                              11     -2   -20 01.06.2010
                              11      1    10 01.02.2011
02.02.2009 fifteen            15      3    30
                              15      2    20 01.03.2009
                              15      5    50 01.06.2010
                              15     -4   -40 01.02.2011
10.10.2010 seventeen          17      1    10
                              17      1    10 01.03.2011
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        at org.apache.jasper.runtime.HttpJspBase.service(HttpJspBase.java:105)
        at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:860)
        at org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServletWrapper.service(JspServletWrapper.java:336)
        at org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.serviceJspFile(JspServlet.java:297)
        at org.apache.jasper.servlet.JspServlet.service(JspServlet.java:247)
        at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:860)
        at sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor188.invoke(Unknown Source)
        at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25)
        at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:585)
        at org.apache.catalina.security.SecurityUtil$1.run(SecurityUtil.java:249)
        at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
        at javax.security.auth.Subject.doAsPrivileged(Subject.java:517)
        at org.apache.catalina.security.SecurityUtil.execute(SecurityUtil.java:282)
        at org.apache.catalina.security.SecurityUtil.doAsPrivilege(SecurityUtil.java:165)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:257)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.access$000(ApplicationFilterChain.java:55)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain$1.run(ApplicationFilterChain.java:161)
        at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:157)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.invoke(ApplicationDispatcher.java:723)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.processRequest(ApplicationDispatcher.java:482)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.doForward(ApplicationDispatcher.java:417)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.access$000(ApplicationDispatcher.java:80)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher$PrivilegedForward.run(ApplicationDispatcher.java:95)
        at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationDispatcher.forward(ApplicationDispatcher.java:313)
        at com.sun.faces.context.ExternalContextImpl.dispatch(ExternalContextImpl.java:326)
        at com.sun.faces.application.ViewHandlerImpl.renderView(ViewHandlerImpl.java:132)
        at com.sun.faces.lifecycle.RenderResponsePhase.execute(RenderResponsePhase.java:87)
        at com.sun.faces.lifecycle.LifecycleImpl.phase(LifecycleImpl.java:248)
        at com.sun.faces.lifecycle.LifecycleImpl.render(LifecycleImpl.java:117)
        at javax.faces.webapp.FacesServlet.service(FacesServlet.java:194)
        at sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor202.invoke(Unknown Source)
        at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25)
        at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:585)
        at org.apache.catalina.security.SecurityUtil$1.run(SecurityUtil.java:249)
        at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
        at javax.security.auth.Subject.doAsPrivileged(Subject.java:517)
        at org.apache.catalina.security.SecurityUtil.execute(SecurityUtil.java:282)
        at org.apache.catalina.security.SecurityUtil.doAsPrivilege(SecurityUtil.java:165)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:257)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.access$000(ApplicationFilterChain.java:55)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain$1.run(ApplicationFilterChain.java:161)
        at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:157)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardWrapperValve.java:263)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipeline.java:551)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invokeInternal(StandardContextValve.java:225)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardContextValve.java:173)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipeline.java:551)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHostValve.java:170)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipeline.java:551)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEngineValve.java:132)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardPipeline.invoke(StandardPipeline.java:551)
        at org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.invoke(ContainerBase.java:933)
        at org.apache.coyote.tomcat5.CoyoteAdapter.service(CoyoteAdapter.java:189)
        at com.sun.enterprise.web.connector.grizzly.ProcessorTask.doProcess(ProcessorTask.java:604)
        at com.sun.enterprise.web.connector.grizzly.ProcessorTask.process(ProcessorTask.java:475)
        at com.sun.enterprise.web.connector.grizzly.ReadTask.executeProcessorTask(ReadTask.java:371)
        at com.sun.enterprise.web.connector.grizzly.ReadTask.doTask(ReadTask.java:264)
        at com.sun.enterprise.web.connector.grizzly.TaskBase.run(TaskBase.java:281)
        at com.sun.enterprise.web.connector.grizzly.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:83)My code looks like this:
<h:outputText escape="false"
          value='<link href="#{myBean.styleSheet}" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />' />If I replace this with a much more convoluted set of tags, it works:
<h:outputText escape="false"
          value='<link href="' /><h:outputText escape="false" value="#{myBean.styleSheet}"
          /><h:outputText escape="false" value='" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />' />So is the problem that I am mixing dynamic and static content with a single value? If so, why does it work on the first view, and not after?
If it matters, I'm using the reference implementation version 1.1 (as included with NetBeans 5.5RC2) on SuSE 10.0 w/ JDK 1.5_09.
Thanks,
Bill

Yes, that's how I originally had it, but then changed it to the outputText approach since a single tag could do what I wanted, as long as I was allowed to mix static and dynamic content within a single value.
I think this is a bug in JSF 1.1, since if what I am doing is illegal, it should throw an exception on the first page view, not work on first view and throw an exception on subsequent views. I'm guessing that this has something to do with the fact that on first page view it only runs the restore view and render response JSF phases, while on subsequent requests all of the phases will be run, and it's in one of those other phases that the exception is thrown.
For now, multiple tags is the work-around, I guess.
Thanks,
Bill

Adding a jar to the classpath of an executable jar (mixing -jar and -cp)

Hello,
frankly I hesitated over posting this to "New to Java"; my apologies (but also, eternal gratefulness) if there is an ultra-simple answer I have overlooked...
I integrate a black-box app (I'm not supposed to have the source) that comes packaged as an executable jar (with a Manifest.MF that specifies the main class and a bunch of dependent jars), along with a few dependent jars and a startup script. Long story short, the application code supports adding jars in the classpath, but I can't find a painless way to add a jar in its "classpath".
The app's "vendor" (another department of my customer company) has a slow turnaround on support requests, so while waiting for their suggestion as to how exactly to integrate custom jars, I'm trying to find a solution at the pure Java level.
The startup script features a "just run the jar" launch line:
java -jar startup.jarI tried tweaking this line to add a custom jar in the classpath
java -cp mycustomclasses.jar -jar startup.jarBut that didn't seem to work ( NoClassDefFound at the point where the extension class is supposed to be loaded).
I tried various combination of order, -cp/-classpath, using the CLASSPATH environment variable,... and eventually gave up and devised a manual launch line, which obviously worked:
java -cp startup.jar;dependency1.jar;dependency2.jar;mycustomclasses.jar fully.qualified.name.of.StartupClassI resent this approach though, which not only makes me have to know the main class of the app, but also forces me to specify all the dependencies explicitly (the whole content of the Manifest's class-path entry).
I'm surprised there isn't another approach: really, can't I mix -jar and -cp options?
- [url http://download.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/tools/windows/classpath.html]This document (apparently a bible on the CLASSPATH), pointed out by a repited forum member recently, does not document the -jar option.
- the [url http://download.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/deployment/jar/run.html]Java tutorial describes how to use the -jar option, but does not mention how it could play along with -cp
Thanks in advance, and best regards,
J.
Edited by: jduprez on Dec 7, 2010 11:35 PM
Ahem, the "Java application launcher" page bundled with the JDK doc (http://download.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/tools/windows/java.html) specifies that +When you use [the -jar] option, the JAR file is the source of all user classes, and other user class path settings are ignored+
So this behavior is deliberate indeed... my chances diminish to find a way around other than specifying the full classpath and main class...

I would have thought that the main-class attribute of the JAR you name in the -jar option is the one that is executed.Then I still have the burden of copying that from the initial startup.jar's manifest. Slightly less annoying than copying the whole Class-path entry, but it's an impediment to integrating it as a "black-box".
The 'cascading' behavior is implicit in the specification
I know at least one regular in addition to me that would issue some irony about putting those terms together :o)
Anyway, thank you for confirming the original issue, and merci beaucoup for your handy "wrapper" trick.
I'll revisit the post markers once I've actually tried it.
Best regards,
Jérôme

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