Mix to use Per user & Per device CALs ??

Hi,
I have built 2 RDS server and formed a NLB cluster.
Is possible mix Per user and Per device CALs to use under this environment ?? How to make it ??
Thanks

Hi,
Please see this similar thread which covers how to set it up and how to do tracking of licenses
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsserver/en-US/2ce9f814-822c-436b-bd12-80e1ec74c27b/combine-both-per-device-and-per-user-rds-cals-on-the-same-remote-desktop-session-host?forum=winserverTS
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How to convert per device cal to per user cal

Dear Sir
We've installed windows server 2008 r2 on our server & configured rdsh for the same(as per user cal). I want to use my erp software through rds from my other office. at a same time i want to use it from my 3 machine remotly, pls advise me
which rds cal should i purchased for 3 machine. should i purchased 3 rds cals per device or per user,
I have recently purchased 1 no per device cal open license from my distributor(microsoft part no.6vc-02071).
If i want to use per user cal method, is it possible to convert this device cal to user cal , please tell me the steps for the same.

Hi,
I think you may need to purchase Per User RDS CALs. As your users need to access the three machines remotely.
In addition, it is possible to convert.
Switching between Device and User CALs
http://blogs.technet.com/b/licensing/archive/2013/04/01/switching-between-device-and-user-cals.aspx
Client Access License (CAL) Decision Tool
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/CalTool/
Hope this helps.
Jeremy Wu
TechNet Community Support

If I apply a per device CAL does it stick with certain devices or when the devices sign off can new ones use the same licences

I purchased a per device CAL and was wondering about this because we have more than 5 devices. If one device is signed on and is using a licence then signs off does that licence become available for a new device then? Or am I stuck with the same 5 devices
even if they are not still signed on.

When an RDS device CAL is issued it remains assigned to the device it was issues to until it expires. It cannot be used by another device until it expires.
An RDS per device cal is set to expire in a random inteval between 52 and 89 days. Once this interval expires, the device Cal is returned to the pool. You can revoke RDS CALs manually (up to 20% of your total) with Remote Desktop Licensing Manager.

RDS Per Device CAL - Where is it stored on the Client?

I'm having an issue with running out of CALs too quickly. 70 clients with 100 Licenses.
I have Deep Freeze on several of the Thin Clients. After restarting the thin clients the revert back to a default state, removing any changes. I believe that when my RDS server issues a CAL to one of these, the thin client looses the issues CAL to it once
it restarts. SO my question is, where Does the CAL get stored specifically so I can allow that area to be changed.

Hi Jmair,
When Per Device licensing mode is used, and a client computer or device connects to an RD Session Host server for the first time, the client computer or device is issued a temporary
license by default. When a client computer or device connects to an RD Session Host server for the second time, if the license server is activated and enough RDS Per Device CALs are available, the license server issues the client computer or device a permanent,
RDS Per Device CAL. The temporary license is valid for 90 days.
An RDS Per User CAL gives one user the right to access an RD Session Host server from an unlimited number of client computers or devices. RDS Per User CALs are not enforced
by RD Licensing. As a result, client connections can occur regardless of the number of RDS Per User CALs installed on the license server. This does not absolve administrators from Microsoft Software License Terms requirements to have a valid RDS Per User CAL
for each user. Failure to have an RDS Per User CAL for each user, if Per User licensing mode is being used, is a violation of the license terms.
Client will get a Temp CAL while it firstly logged on the RDS server. After the client logged off and logged on the RDS Server again. The client will get a permanent CAL. So
you could see the temp CALs, it’s expected behavior.
More information:
Remote Desktop Services Client Access Licenses (RDS CALs)
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc753650.aspx
Revoke a Remote Desktop Services Per Device Client Access License
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc732416.aspx
HOW TO: Use the Terminal Services Licensing Reporter Tool (Lsreport.exe)
http://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/317592
Specify a License Server for an RD Session Host Server to Use
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc770585.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396
I’m glad to be of help to you!
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RDS Per Device CAL - how the device is identificated?

Hi,
How the client device is identificated for assigning the RDS Per Device CAL to it?
What happens if I reinstall my client computer OS? Change its network name? Add or remove some hardware (GPU card, memory, HDD, etc.)?
Will it be identificated as a new or old device? Will it get new or old RDS Per Device CAL?
Thanks!

Adding or removing hardware generally wont change the RDS CAL usage, it will still be assigned to the machine, a computer domain rejoin may well result in an additional CAL being used, a rebuild will result in 2 CALs being used until the first one expires.
You always have the option to "revoke" a CAL but you can only do a limited number each month (I think).

Migrate Windows Server 2008 RD TS/RDS Per Device CALs from a 2008 r2 RD License server to a 2012 RD License server

I would like to migrate my 2008 r2 CALs from current Server 2008 r2 to a Server 2012 RD License server. Will the Migrate licenses Wizard in 2008 r2 Licensing server work for this or is there another process that I will have to use?

I have a 2008 license server with 2008 licenses that I need to migrate to 2012 servers and also provide some kind of fault tolerance in case one license server goes down. I want to split the licenses since we can't have the same number of licenses
on both servers. Do you know if the existing licenses can be split during the migration and be placed on two different windows 2012 license server as per Microsoft best practice?

CSM per admin group using per device group

I am looking to see if multiple admin and device groups can be created to limit certain administrators to administrate only certain devices but not others.
For example:
admin group "ag_na" (including user admin1 & admin2) can make changes to device group "dg_na" containing (device 1, device 2) only
admin group "ag_ca" (including user admin3 & admin4) can make changes to device group "dg_ca" containing (device30 & device31) only
Any tips on if / how to do this?
Thanks

You can do it by integrating the CSM into an ACS v4.2 and doing RBAC. There you can define for which NDGs a user has which access policy.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/security/security_management/cisco_security_manager/security_manager/4.1/installation/guide/aduser.html#wp1063220
Unfortunately this is a short-therm solution as ACS v4.2 has been put to EoS and no real alternative methods are available today. Hopefully Cisco will come up with a new solution on the long-therm.

Per Device Licensing report

Hello,
We have a large organization that is transitioning from 2003 to 2008. We use per device CAL's for our RDS licensing.
Is there a direct way to generate a report/log of what RDSH's are connecting to the license server to issue CAL's to the clients? We have a process in place for allocating CAL's within our organization, but looking for a way to audit what session-host is
being connected to the license server.
Thanks!

Hi,
Thank you for posting in Windows Server Forum.
Depending on the operating system on the terminal server, RD Session Host server, or license server, there are various options available to generate a report of client access license (CAL) usage. Please follow below article to create a CAL report which describe
for server 2003\2008\2008 R2.
Create CAL reports
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh553161(v=ws.10).aspx
Hope it helps!
Thanks.
Dharmesh Solanki
TechNet Community Support

RDS (2012 R2, Per User) client issues after moving from TS Licesning (Win 2K3, Per Device)

I run a XenApp environment (mixed Presentation Server 4.5, XA6.5, XA7.6... I know).
I've somewhat recently moved our RDS/TS licensing from an old 2K3 TS licensing vm that needed to go to a 2012 R2 RDS licensing vm.
The 2K3 vm ran with a Per Device mode, and the 2012 R2 vm is using a Per User model.
RDS is working fine as far as I can tell - handing out licenses to their RD Session hosts, in the proper security group which has the ability to Read/Write the MSLicensing user attributes (Terminal Server License Servers). By GPO, I am telling (and they are
applying) my XenApp servers to use their new RDS Licensing server and with a Per User model. The issue I
am seeing is this:
On a give XenApp server, the eventID 1011 - TerminalServicesRemoteConnectionManager
The remote session could not be established from remote desktop client
computername because its temporary license has expired.
When I hit the Details tab,
Windows Server 2003 - Terminal Server Per Device CAL Token.
Which then results in having to remove the MSLicensing registry key. Which is annoying. Anyone else run into this after moving licensing servers and/or models? Feedback would be awesome, danke!

Hi,
According to your description, it sounds like a known issue. The workwgoup is to delete the MSLicensing key under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MSLicensing. (Note: please create a backup of the MSLicensing registry key and its subkeys on the
client before you remove the original key and subkeys.)
For more detailed information, you can refer to the similar thread below:
https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsserver/en-US/9eb42798-e75e-4693-9a5d-9e96895e16c8/remote-desktop-license-server-problem?forum=winserverTS
Best regards,
Ssie
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Device CALs User CALs?

This CAL thing is throwing me for a loop and maybe someone can help me out.
I'll lay out my network first. I have 2 server currently, one is SBS 2008 and one is Server 2008 R2. I plan on updating them to Server 2012 Standard.
The networks I have also have staff and students. There is always a set amount of PC's being used about 14 hours a day. Would it be better to get User CALs or Device CALs.
From what I read on the forum a Device CAL marrys to the device and a User CAL marrys to a profile or user login? IF so is there any differences between the CALS? If I buy the user CALs will the devices they use still be able to be managed?
Thanks a bunch

For Windows CALs, it's all paper-based activity (i.e. there is nothing to download nor install nor configure on your systems).
per-device vs. per-user, the only thing which matters is the cost of buying them (they are otherwise identical from a use-rights perspective).
if you have more users (humans, not logon accounts) than you have devices (workstations,laptops, etc but not servers), then buy per-device CALs.
When a human sits at a device, and logs on to that device, and the logon authenticates to a Windows Server, you need a CAL for that authenticated connection to be properly licensed. In this scenario, either a User CAL, or a Device CAL, is acceptable.
If a user authenticates/connects at that workstation, to multiple Windows Servers (e.g. fileserverA and FileserverB), only a single Windows Server CAL is needed (i.e. you don't need a CAL for every server-connection).
So, you can buy either type, or, a mixture, whatever makes sense for your organisation's way of working, shared PC's, shiftworkers, etc.
In larger scenarios, it may be even more economical to look at "CAL Suites", or various other "bundles", if you have more than a few Windows Servers and other MS server-based products in your organisation.
Don
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Per Device licenses question

Hi,
I have a question about per Device licenses in RDS 2012.
Let say 100 licenses are added to License Server. Issued shows 80.
When issued licenses count will reach 100. Could 20 new computers access RDS in case that 20 from initial 100 will not connected?
Are the licenses concurrent?
Thanks
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Here is the link explaining the Revocation acton (and etc):
"After you have revoked the RDS Per Device CAL, that RDS Per Device CAL is immediately available to be issued to another client computer or device."
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-ca/library/cc732416.aspx
extracted:A permanent RDS Per Device CAL issued by a license server is configured to automatically expire after a random period between 52 and 89 days, at which time the RDS Per
Device CAL returns to the pool of available RDS Per Device CALs on the license server.
In some circumstances, you might want or need to return an RDS Per Device CAL that has been issued back to the available pool on the license server before the automatic expiration period has been reached. For example, you might want to do this if the
client computer or device is no longer a part of your environment.
You can revoke an RDS Per Device CAL by using the Remote Desktop Licensing Manager tool.
Important
You can only revoke an RDS Per Device CAL. You cannot revoke an RDS Per User CAL.
After you have revoked the RDS Per Device CAL, that RDS Per Device CAL is immediately available to be issued to another client computer or device. Revocation is not a substitute for ensuring that you have enough RDS Per Device CALs to support
your environment.
You can only revoke up to twenty percent of the number of RDS Per Device CALs of a particular version installed on your license server. For example, if there are 100 Windows Server 2003 TS Per Device CALs installed on the license server, you
can only have 20 of those Windows Server 2003 TS Per Device CALs revoked at any given time. If you also have 200 Windows Server 2008 R2 RDS Per Device CALs installed on the license server, you can revoke up to 40 of those Windows
Server 2008 R2 RDS Per Device CALs in addition to the Windows Server 2003 TS Per Device CALs that you have revoked.
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Cannot change RD Licensing server mode to 'Per Device'

Hello
Thanks for reading my question.
I have a window server 2012 R2, I have installed the remote desk top service and the RD Licensing Server.
When I change the licensing mode in the "Edit Deployment Properties" dialog -> RD Licensing, I got an error as following on the top of the dialog:
And I search on the internet, how to change the licensing mode:
1. I have tried to change the group policy:
"Computer Configuration\Policies\Administrative Templates\Windows Components\Remote Desktop Services\Remote Desktop Session Host\Licensing"
2. I have tried to change the registry key, and reboot my server:
"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Terminal Server\RCM\LicensingCore"
After above 2 changes, when I open "RD Licensing Diagnoser", it stills show my licensing mode: Per User.
So, how can I change my licensing mode to "Per Device"? Any idea will be helpful
(By the way, I am a normal user in the domain, I am not a administrator of my domain control, I think Per Device CAL doesn't require me to be an domain control administrator)
Thanks very much

Hi,
How did you install the Remote Desktop Services? Standard Deployment or Quick Start?
Meanwhile, please try the following PowerShell command to set the License Mode.
Set-RDLicenseConfiguration -Mode PerUser
Hope this helps.
Jeremy Wu
TechNet Community Support

License per device duplicates

Have problem like that:
http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX130004
Some devices has multiple RDP CALs
This devices contains thin and thick clients
Why this happens? and how to prevent duplicating?
License server: Windows 2012
Rebuilding database is not solution
Douplicates temporary and permanent licenses
Have errors in log:
TerminalServices-Licensing
eventID 42
product A02 has denied new license request with error code 14
Log screenshots (russian lang):
http://imgur.com/XtPsiKO
http://imgur.com/PgMAnqa
error is right after 82 event (license was renewed to permanent)

Hi,
The available solution for your issue to prevent duplicating of device CAL is to revoke a Remote Desktop Services per Device CAL. You can able to prevent duplicating and manage License per device CAL by using RD Licensing Manager. There you can able to
revoke the device CAL which is not necessary for your device. Refer below article for more information.
Revoke a Remote Desktop Services Per Device Client Access License
In respect to the error you are occurring, there is only way to reinstall the RD Licensing role service. There is no official document for Server 2012 so you can refer Server 2008 R2 document for your error.
Event ID 42 — Remote Desktop License Server Activation
For Event ID 82: This event is logged when RDS client access license (RDS CAL) of version belonging to computer has been upgraded to RDS CAL of version.
Event ID 82 — Remote Desktop Services Client Access License (RDS CAL) Availability
Hope it helps for your understanding!
Thanks.

How to install device cals on Windows Server 2012 standard edition

Hello i have a windows server 2012 standard edition licence that i have taken on rent from an ISP.
i have created a domain controller on that.
By default only two users can use remote desktop to the server simultaneously.
My Requirement is 20 users can use remote desktop to the server at the same time.For that i have purchased 20 Delive CALs licences like volume licencing.
i have the licence number noted on the paper.
do i need to install remote desktop services first etc ?
Could anyone guide me step by step how can i install or configure so that 20 users can use remote desktop on the same time.

Hi,
Any update about the issue?
I would agree with others, you need to install Remote Desktop Services Client Access Licenses.
There are three methods by which you can install Remote Desktop Services client access licenses (RDS CALs) onto your license server:
• Install Remote Desktop Services Client Access Licenses Automatically
• Install Remote Desktop Services Client Access Licenses by Using a Web Browser
• Install Remote Desktop Services Client Access Licenses by Using the Telephone
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc725890.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396
Then you can install both Per User and Per Device CALs onto the same license server.
Regards.
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2008 R2 RDS Device Cals Period

Hello!
I have a question : Can i modify the grace period for the RDS Device Cals from 120 days to 1 or 2 days ?
Thanks!

Hi,
The server's grace period should automatically end as soon as a purchased Per Device RDS CAL is issued to a device. For example, you install RDSH and RD Licensing, set the Licensing mode to Per Device, Specify the Licensing server name, Activate the
RD Licensing server, install RDS Per Device CALs, then connect twice from a PC. After completing this the RDSH server should be out of the grace period and you should see in RD Licensing Manager that the Per Device CAL was issued to the
device.
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