Mixed camera shoot...Capture native & render in timeline or capture ProRes?

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HVX200 - 720p60 DVCPROHD
A1 - 1080i30 HDV
HD100U - 720p60 HDV
1) Capture the HDV footage as HDV then render per timeline settings (DVCPROHD)
or
2) Capture both HDV sources as ProRes (using capture card) and edit on a ProRes timeline?
2a) How would I deal with the DVCPROHD footage in this case? Re-ingest as ProRes or edit it on ProRes timeline?
2b) Oh yeah, I also need to multiclip.
Thoughts?

Well, I just captured 1080p to 720p...both were 23.98, and it looks great. going from 1080 to 720 should be fine...it is when you blow up the image that you can have issues. Although I output 720p to 1080p all the time and it looks fine.
Oh, and I use the Kona 3. I'd verify that the Decklink can cross convert 1080 to 720...it most likely cannot, as I know it doesn't do 720p to 1080...which is why I bought the Kona 3. Oh, that and the Decklink only upconverts SD to 1080i, not 720p. There is a reason it is cheaper than the Kona.
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A big challenge in perspective. As you noted from your previous experience, it's very important to keep all cameras rolling along the race. If you can use a sort of clapper board signal (like a air horn shot, the start signal or a camera flash) it will be easier to synch all your material. This point can be anywhere in the clip as it is present in all clips.
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so I'm etiehr stuck only shooting with 2 cameras or wasting the time of converting to use the 3rd
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