Mixer or control surface

can anbody please recommend me which one i should go for..?
mixer or control surface?
the alesis products has stole my attention with its sleek design, im thinking of buying either their MultiMix 8 FireWire or master control..
i use my logic mostly for recording acoustic guitar and vocal..
please make me clear of waht are the advantages of control surface or mixer.
thank you!

Hi, one of the great advantage not mencioned above about mixers is you can use the sends and returns of the mixer to route hardware effect processors, about to record the guitar and the vocal at the same time i´m not agree beacause your mics pic a mix of both in each of the two diferent tracks even if you use one mic for guitar and another for vocals. It is not the way to go. The most important to get good recordings from vocal and acoustic guitars is how good are your mic preamp and your mics. But a mixer is an essencial tool in a studio environement. Me too i records guitars both electric and acoustic, i havent yet a mixer, but i use a SSL XLOGIC Superannalogue channel and a Nueman U87 mic. The result are miles away from using software emulation amps. But the budget too, I don´t belive that the Tascam pre amp are enought good for recotding acoustic guitars and vocals. recording acoustic guitar and vocalsi t is one of the most difficult taske to achieve with satisfactory results. I think you must to learn more about studio recording mixing ect... before you buy anything, get your own budget and with your knowledge try to buy the best possible adapted to your own budget.
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