Mixing 1080i and 720p

Hi, I have a shoot coming up where I'll need a second camera. My primary camera for this project so far has been a JVC GY-HD200UB, shooting HDV 720p 30fps. Both of my second camera options only record HDV 1080i (a Sony HVR-A1U and Canon XH-A1). I'm leaning towards the Sony because it seems to handle low light a little better and it will be a dark location. How should I handle the 1080i footage in regards to my 720p project? Down convert it to a new file, then import? Just bring it into the same project and scale to fit? Will it be glaringly obvious that some shots are interlaced? Has anyone here mixed footage? What were the results? Thanks! JB

Hi,
I'm using CineForm AVI for both 1080i and 720p.
The best I've found is to bring 1080i in the 720p project as a separate Sequence
and then scale one down on 720p timeline.
Mixing both on same timeline drive Premiere CS4.1 crazy in my case.
But I didn't make a lot of research.
Good luck

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Yes, that's how I originally had it, but then changed it to the outputText approach since a single tag could do what I wanted, as long as I was allowed to mix static and dynamic content within a single value.
I think this is a bug in JSF 1.1, since if what I am doing is illegal, it should throw an exception on the first page view, not work on first view and throw an exception on subsequent views. I'm guessing that this has something to do with the fact that on first page view it only runs the restore view and render response JSF phases, while on subsequent requests all of the phases will be run, and it's in one of those other phases that the exception is thrown.
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Thanks,
Bill

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Hello,
frankly I hesitated over posting this to "New to Java"; my apologies (but also, eternal gratefulness) if there is an ultra-simple answer I have overlooked...
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The app's "vendor" (another department of my customer company) has a slow turnaround on support requests, so while waiting for their suggestion as to how exactly to integrate custom jars, I'm trying to find a solution at the pure Java level.
The startup script features a "just run the jar" launch line:
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I tried various combination of order, -cp/-classpath, using the CLASSPATH environment variable,... and eventually gave up and devised a manual launch line, which obviously worked:
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I know at least one regular in addition to me that would issue some irony about putting those terms together :o)
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Since installing IOS 5 on my iphone4, the music gets mixed up and sometimes it won't even play it !

Since installing IOS 5 on my iphone4, the music gets mixed up and sometimes it won't even play it !
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Altered from original solution from Emily P:
Okay, mine now works here is what I did.
plug in the iPhone, iPad etc
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Once that is all done all the music on the phone or ipad should be gone.
Now check them both back on, sync, and everything should copy back onto it.
Working now !!!!!

Mixing 1080i and 720p

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