Monitor calibration - a slightly different issue

i have 2 20" cinema displays, acquired about the same time (one a purchase, one an applecare replacement for a failed unit). they are the same model. i have never been able to get them to look the same. i do NOT have calibration equipment, but i think i should be able to use the display calibration utility to get them close.
however, no matter what i do, one has whites and greys that have a slight yellow cast to them.
i suspect this one unit may just be "off" and acquiring calibration gear would be a waste of money.
the "muddy" one is my main viewer and, as such, bothers me a lot. i think i will switch them, but the problem will still be there.
any suggestions on what, if anything, i can try?

What might be happening is that Aperture is correctly color managing the images it displays whereas the system isn't. Seems weird but you could test it, at least.
-Create a pure white tif or jpg in Photoshop (255,255,255), and add a few other colors and shades of grey (if you need one, I'll email you one).
-Look at it in Aperture and then in Preview and then as an attachment in Mail.
-If the color is correct in Aperture but wrong elsewhere, it's probably not the screen but the ICC profile it uses for display.
-So, keep your images open in Mail, Preview and Aperture and go to Displays in the System Preferences and for the display you are using that you think is defective (note that if you have mirrored displays you can still choose a different profile for each display) try choosing some of the other profiles available. Do any of them get the interface elements close to neutral? If yes, then your screen is capable of correct color, it just needs the correct profile assigned to it.
One other thing to try - seems obvious but I've seen it before - make sure the connectors between the screen and the Mac are well plugged-in. Loose connections can cause weird color shifts.

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Hi,
Have you tried to set your Internet Explorer as your default web browser in
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Not sure if you have browsed this thread, please have a look. firehawk44
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I have been having a issue with getting the colors on my monitor to match the colors fro my print lab. I now have the monitor calibrated to match the prints but when I open elements it doesn't use the same colors. If i have it use the calibrated profile b

I have been having a issue with getting the colors on my monitor to match the colors fro my print lab. I now have the monitor calibrated to match the prints but when I open elements it doesn't use the same colors. If i have it use the calibrated profile by changing the color management settings, the color picker no longer shows true white or black. How do I get elements 12 to honor the new calibrated settings?

Ok so I've done what you said and this is what it's come back ....
I don't know that these are the errors , but they're the things which don't look right ...
Throughout the shut down there is a recurring line ;
It says ;
Com.apple.launchd 1 0x100600e70.anonymous.unmount 301 PID still valid
Then there are 2 more which I think are related ;
Com.apple.securityd 29 PID job has I overstayed its welcome , forcing removal.
Then the same with fseventd 48 and diskarbitrationd 13
Oh and on Launchd1 : System : stray anonymous job at shut down : PID 301 PPID13 PGID 13 unmount...
Then the last process says "about to call: reboot (RB_AUTOBOOT).
Continuing...
And stops ...
Hope this means something to you ... Thanks again for your help so far :-)

Monitor Calibration Issue?

When I'm in Develop or Print the brightness and color of a harbor that I photographed look just fine. They also look fine when I call up the printer's print preview window. However, when I print out the photo, the blue water in the shadows takes on a greenish tint and other areas of shadow come out darker than what is shown on the screen. Could this be a monitor calibration problem?

No that is the correct profile. the SP indicates glossy photo paper. The MP
is because this is a multifunction printer. Alas this also indicates the
likely issue. The drivers for many of these cheapo printers simply do not
turn off their color management even if you tell it to do that. My guess is
that what is happening is double color management. The driver is expecting
data in sRGB and coverts that to a printer profile. However, it got data in
the profile already so it gets applied twice. This bug in the drivers only
shows up in more modern apps such as Lightroom and Photoshop CS5 as they
only use the most recent method to send data to the driver and the drivers
haven't been updated to allow the more modern method (and likely never
will). You can sometimes get these printers to print correctly by setting
the driver to expect adobeRGB or sRGB and telling Lightroom to send data in
that colorspace (select show display profiles in the other dialog and enable
those). Sometimes the sequence of when you go into the print settings dialog
matters and the driver will suddenly decide to cooperate as long as you go
by business in the exact same way every time.

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I've seen a lot of topics already about airport issues, but mine is slightly different. My computer has always had issues connecting to my Linksys wrt54g (802.11g). For a while after we switched ISPs it was better but not perfect. It would cut out for a while and I'd have to restart the router and modem to get signal back up.
Now my computer simply won't recognize my network at least 5 times an hour, probably more. Also, it now has this issue with the network at school. I don't know of anything that's changed to make this happen. At home I now rely on ethernet.
Could it be something wrong with my Macbook Pro 1,1's airport card? Could it be worn out? Can I replace it?
HELP PLZ!

Do you have any other computers connecting wirelessly to your router? I seem to remember seeing MANY issues with the WRT54G router and Macs. Possible that your router is bad as well. Your MBP being the problem is not the only possibility.

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After installing Mountain Lion on my late 2010 MacBook Air 13", I'm unable to successfully calibrate the monitor using the settings in System Preferences. When I go to adjust the color slider in the first screen of the monitor calibrator, I'm unable to move it far enough in any direction to achieve a neutral gray. I've given up and just gone back to the default calibration, but for sensitive color work, this is not really acceptable. I've tried resetting PRAM, deleted profiles in ColorSync utility (even the default) and still have been unable to solve the issue. Anyone seeing something similar or have any suggestions?

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Monitor Calibration For Vista Issues?

I am looking for information about the current state of custom monitor calibration for Vista particularly concerning whether or not the profiles "stick". This forum has a link to this Microsoft knowledge base article about the problem and a link to a patch from May, 2008. The forum thread also contains assertions that certain nVidia "items" loaded at startup cause the same problems.
So, for those who use Vista and monitor color calibrators, are you still having this problem? Did the patch fix it. Did the latest nVidia drivers fix it? Do those with ATI cards have the same problem?
Thanks in advance.

Had problems with a Vista (laptop), ATI graphics and Spyder2express calibrator.
I would calibrate using Spyder2express, but every time I booted, the profile would load for a few seconds and then unload.
Apparently, it's a startup sequence problem. The S2E profile would load and then the ATI profile would over-ride it.
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Monitor calibration. Please help!!

Aloha,
I just downloaded the free trial of CS5. I am trying to use Adobe Gamma to calibrate my screen so that everything will print as I see it. I have already searched all about it. I CANNOT FIND IT TO USE IT. I cannot find where to download it.......I cannot find it already installed with the CS5. Instructions say that I have it when I download CS5 and for me to go under control panel and double click on the icon for it. I DONT HAVE IT. I only have the "Color management" icon which is already on my computer.
I am using Windows Vista 36bit.
A really appreciate your time with reading/responding to this tedious problem. Thanks!
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Not sure if you already found this answer somewhere else, but I found this article...the link for the entire article is...http://www.computer-darkroom.com/ps12_colour/ps12_1.htm I was also looking for the same thing, but I guess Adobe no longer provide Monitor Calibration...
Section 2 - Monitor Calibration and Characterisation
Monitor calibration and characterisation (profiling) is probably the most important aspect of a color managed workflow; yet many users seem oblivious to issues poor monitor calibration, etc can have on their documents. So, what is calibration, why is it so important, and why is it different from characterisation?
Calibration is a process whereby a device is brought to a standard state (e.g. a color temperature of 6500K and gamma of 2.2), whereas characterising the monitor is the process of determining how the monitor represents or reproduces color. We characterise the monitor by measuring how it displays known color values, then creating an ICC profile. The ICC profile is simply a data file that includes a description of the monitorsí color handling characteristics (i.e. its gamut). The calibration data will also be written into the ICC profile. As I've already mentioned, Photoshop then uses the monitor profile to automatically optimise the display of documents. It does so by carrying out an on-the-fly conversion between your document profile (e.g. ProPhoto RGB, Adobe RGB, sRGB, ColorMatch) and your monitor profile. This conversion does not alter the actual document in any way; just its appearance on the monitor.
Adobe stopped shipping Adobe Gamma with the Mac version of Photoshop a few versions back, but for a while kept it for Windows. This was because there was no software only alternative. Since Apple Display Calibrator Assistant was still installed within System Preferences Mac users never really found the absence of Adobe Gamma to be a problem. However, given that Windows Vista and Windows 7 don't play well with certain utilities, it was inevitable that Adobe Gamma would eventually be dropped from the Windows version of Photoshop. So, it came as no surprise that as of Photoshop CS3 Adobe stopped shipping Adobe Gamma, and it's still absent from CS5. For what it's worth, I think we can safely assume that Adobe will never again ship a monitor calibration utility with Photoshop.
Obviously, software only monitor calibration applications use the human eye to determine tone and color differences between a series of white/grey/black/color patches. However, it should go without saying that the eye isn't the most accurate method of measuring these differences. Therefore, my recommendation would be to use a hardware based system such as the DatacolorSpyderPro3, X-rite Photo ColorMunki or X-rite Photo i1 Display 2.
Tip for Mac OS X users: a tutorial describing the process of calibrating a display with the Apple Display Calibrator Assistant can be found here.
Useful Information on location of ICC/ColorSync Profiles
Photoshop CS5 is only compatible with Windows XP with Service Pack 3, Windows Vista or Windows 7 on the PC platform and OS X 10.5.7 or higher on the Mac platform. The upside of this is that the ICC and ColorSync profiles are more easily found.
Profile locations:-
Windows XP, Vista and Windows 7 - sub-folder named Windows\system32\spool\drivers\color
Mac OS X - ColorSync profiles are generally located in either the Library/ColorSync/Profiles or Users/~/Library/ColorSync/Profiles folder

Pictures too dark - not a monitor calibration problem

I believe this is some kind of color space or EXIF data issue I'm having. The jist of it is this: if I view one of my pictures (they're in jpg format) in Windows Explorer, they look fine. But when Lightroom opens the picture or displays it in the library, it looks too dark. (Important note: this is not a monitor calibration issue. Searching on Google reveals tons of advice along these lines, but that's not what's happening here. Lightroom is simply displaying things differently than anything else.)
Photoshop had this problem also, but Adobe supplied a patch that made Photoshop ignore the color space EXIF data so my pictures would display "correctly". There does not seem to be any such equivalent fix for Lightroom. I'm using Windows XP - perhaps there's something I can do in the OS to fix this issue? I believe most of my pictures are sRGB.
How do I get Lightroom to display my pictures correctly? They are, of course, impossible to edit while they display like this. Thanks in advance for any help!

Thanks for the responses. I freely admit I don't understand color management. I also admit I have not calibrated my monitor. I know, therefore, that my colors are not perfectly synchronized across all my devices - and I'm fine with that for the moment, because they are close enough. What comes out of my camera, what is displayed on my monitor, and what comes out of my printer are all pretty close. I will calibrate soon and get even closer, but for now perfect color isn't my chief concern.
My problem is not that the colors don't match, it's that the pictures are too dark when displayed in Lightroom. By "too dark", I mean several stops of exposure too dark. A picture will display a certain way on my camera and in Windows, and the histogram reflects this. Then I load it into Lightroom, and while the histogram looks the same of course, the picture itself is being displayed like I took it at night. Hence, as far as I can tell, it's not a monitor calibration issue. If I were to calibrate the monitor to display the pictures in Lightroom correctly, everything else would look too bright, wouldn't it? Including Lightroom itself. Besides, it wouldn't be possible to brighten my monitor to the point that the pictures looked acceptable - that's how dark they are.
Here's another clue: if I'm at work, and I RDP to my PC at home, and open Lightroom in the RDP session, everything looks great. So, I'm thinking it's a Windows color space issue of some kind. The question is, since I admit I don't know much about color space, what might be the problem and how might I fix it?
So to summarize: incorrect color calibration isn't my problem (though I know it's something I have to do if I ever want to perfectly match output on my monitor and printer). The colors across all my devices are close enough for my purposes. Incorrect color isn't my problem at all. The problem is that Lightroom on my PC displays pictures as if most of the histogram was on the left, even when that's not the case. The pictures in Lightroom look nothing like they look on my camera, in Windows Explorer, or when printed on my printer. Why is that, and what can I do to fix it? Thanks.

Monitor calibration and photoshop

After I run a monitor calibration software, I thought all the photos would look correct on my computer no matter what app I use to display them.
But photos in photoshop looks slightly different from the same photo displayed by the browser or by other applets in windows. So slightly different that you wouldn't normally notice unless you do a side by side compare.
Apparently photoshop is applying additional color correction on top of what the monitor calibration software has already done. Is this necessary? If this step is necessary, then why doesn't the monitor calibration software do that, so that photoshop doesn't have to, and so that the photo would look the same in the browser as in photoshop?

Apparently photoshop is applying additional color correction on top of
what the monitor calibration software has already done. Is this
necessary? If this step is necessary, then why doesn't the monitor
calibration software do that, so that photoshop doesn't have to,
Photoshop doesn't apply any color correction to the images per se, it just operates in a selected color space, and takes into account your monitor profile.
The monitor calibration tells your video card - or the monitor itself for some high end monitors, how it should be set to meet chosen targets, and generates a profile for the monitor.
1. Caibrate your monitor and generate a profile
2. Tell your OS that that it your monitor profile
3. Set Photoshop to work in the space of your choice - sRGB, Adobe RGB, or ProPhoto 99% of the time
That takes you to a state where everything is in order more or less. If at this point your images look out of whack, it's almost certainly because they are, perhaps because they were previously corrected on a non-calibrated setup.
Photoshop and other color managed application should display them all more or less exactly the same, provided the files themselves have a color profile .

Help with monitor calibration - simulating NTSC on computer monitor

I know the proper way to monitor video is using an external NTSC production monitor. Since I don't have one I'm wondering how I can get the closest to simulating an NTSC monitor on my Apple Cinema Display. I have made a monitor calibration using gamma 1.4 that seems pretty good except the shadow areas are too dark. If I can resist the temptation to lighten the dark areas, based on what I see on my computer monitor, my results look pretty good on a TV played from a DVD. If there was some way I could set up my Cinema Display to be closer to an NTSC monitor it would help me a lot. Any ideas?
As a related question: If my video project is not destined for TV but played on a laptop and shown on a screen using a projector maybe I can use my computer monitor as more of a guide to what it will look like on screen.
Another related question: How do the modern flat screen TVs relate to the older CRT variety in terms of calibration. Do the new flat screens still use the same NTSC calibration? The flat screens seem more like computer monitors to me.

If there was some way I could set up my Cinema Display to be closer to an NTSC monitor it would help me a lot. Any ideas?
The Matrox MXO: http://www.matrox.com/video/en/products/mxo/
If my video project is not destined for TV but played on a laptop and shown on a screen using a projector maybe I can use my computer monitor as more of a guide to what it will look like on screen.
If the program won't be viewed on TV, using the computer monitor should be fine ... but keep in mind that Windows system's use a different gamma.
How do the modern flat screen TVs relate to the older CRT variety in terms of calibration. Do the new flat screens still use the same NTSC calibration? The flat screens seem more like computer monitors to me.
They aren't. They are designed to reproduce the NTSC/ATSC color space and gamma. However, like most later model consumer CRTs, flat panel TVs have built-in circuitry designed to artificially enhance/correct the image. That's the primary reason to use a professional monitor, be it a flat panel or an older CRT.
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Monitor Calibration & Lightroom 2

Hello, I have a problem. Normally I shot in RAW, edit the image, save a jpg (with sRGB Color space) resized for an on-line printing service and another jpg in full size and resolution.
Recently I bought a Spyder express monitor calibrator, so I have my calibrating profile called "spyder2express.icc" and I configured in windows xp my display to read this profile.
I edit a raw file with lightroom, but when I export to jpg and I look it with another viewer it doesn't look like the edited raw file, but it is mure saturated and different.
The same thing happened with Photoshop, looking the photo with the software is ok, but the jpg looked with xp viewer, ot faststone capture, or irfanview the jpg is different.
I'm sure that the profile is sRGB, so why this difference?
Is there anyone who can explain me what to do, and how to configure my computer?
Many thanks in advance

Just to clarify above the explanation by the others. Monitor calibration consists of two parts. One part is the calibration of the gamma curve. Gamma basically corresponds to contrast. This part is picked up by all applications and is handled by a correction table (called a LUT for LookUp Table) that is sent to your videocard. The second part is the correction for the gamut of your monitor. The gamut is basically the range of colors it can display. The gamut is determined by the actual wavelengths of red, green, and blue your monitor uses to mix the colors. This is different for every monitor out there and often quite different from sRGB. Some monitors have a much narrower gamut (most laptops) and some have a much wider gamut (the wide gamut displays that lots of people have now made by NEC, Samsung, Dell, etc.- my guess is that you have one of these). So even if you use sRGB, you still have to correct for this in order to display the right color on such displays. ONLY color managed apps do this. Lightroom is color managed as are many other apps such as Photoshop, Firefox 3.5, Safari, etc. However, many apps on windows are not, such as internet explorer, image viewer before vista, etc.

What exactly does monitor calibration do?

I have used a monitor calibration software (with a hardware colorimeter). I know it makes the display image "better". But I want to know more detail.
There seems to be two stages of improvement.
The first stage benefits everything that displays anything, including photos in browsers.
The second stage benefits only software with color management like photoshop.
What are the benefits for the for the first stage?
It changes the gamma or linearity of the display to 2.2 (for PC)
It removes color cast so that grey do not have a color tint.
Anything else?
I assume it is at the second stage (inside color managed software) that a photo would look the same across different computers and different monitors.
Why not turn on color management in windows so that all software are automatically color managed?
Does this also mean that inside a non color managed web browser (which is most of them), the same photo on a web page could look differently on different monitors, even if they are all calibrated by the same calibration software? But they still look more similar to each other than if they were displayed on un-calibrated monitors, right?

The correct terms for what you described as first and second are Monitor Calibration and Monitor Characterization or Profiling.
Calibration brings the monitor to a desired state by changing the behavior of the monitor or said in other words, alters how the monitor displays colors.
During the calibration process the monitor calibration software first changes directly or through the user all that is possible with the hardware controls of the monitor to bring its display to the desired state and then whatever was not possible with the hardware controls will be accomplished automatically also as much as possible by using the video card.
Profiling is first checking and then describing the display characteristics of the monitor in a monitor profile file. A monitor profile file, among other things, describes how the monitor displays color values like the RGB numbers. Profiling doesn't change the monitor behavior. The profile file is used by the color managed programs to change the color appearance of the images they use by sending the appropriate color values to the video card. These color values may be different from the actual color values of the image.
On theory, you don't need calibration in order to have properly characterized monitor. All the color managed programs need, is a monitor profile that describes how the monitor displays color values. However on practice if the monitor is calibrated as much as possible to a desired state, it can have much more and better display capabilities than a monitor without calibration. A desired state of a monitor is when its full capabilities can be used with certain display targets. These targets are specified by the user and are usually the white and black points, color temperature, and gamma.
To illustrate how a monitor without calibration can be a problem, I will give the following example. If you reduce only one of the RGB signals significantly, lets say the Blue, by using the hardware controls of the monitor then all neutral colors will become yellowish. With such monitor display, to get neutral colors, the color managed programs have to reduce also the other two signals Red and Green using the video card to the lowest denominator of the reduced Blue and this in general will limit the range of the entire color space available on your monitor. And since color management is about simulating on your monitor other color spaces (device and non-device specific) if you have limited display capabilities your monitor will not be able to adequately simulate other color spaces no matter how well the color managed programs try to achieve that. And also, as you already guessed that, in this example the non-color managed programs will display everything yellowish on such monitor because they don't have color management capabilities to correct it.

Is monitor calibration the same as setting color profile in System Preferences Monitor Color?

I understand monitor calibration using something llike X-Rite or Gretag, but what about the sRGB/Adobe RGB/Generic thing in System preferences>Monitor>Color? Is the latter for printing purposes? What should I select when doing post processing on Adobe Lightroom or Photoshop Elements?

{quote:}After working on my photographs in Lightroom and setting them to Jpegs, I take them to a printshop (semi professional). Would the personal setting on my iMac make any differences to him for printing???{quote}
Yes your Display Profile will slightly affect your finished product, but if that RGB profile is working for you then don't try and fix it. However if you do professional or semi professional work, then you might want to consider using professional calibration tools to calibrate your display.
See > http://www.lightroomkillertips.com/
{quote:}What do you use most on your iMac?{quote}
I only do amateur photo work and then print them on an Epson printer. When editing and printing photos, I use the Epson sRGB Display Profile that was installed along with my Epson software and always get great results.

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How should I approach this with FCP X. Maybe I can share compositions between projects in the same library?
Ben

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I am editing straight in H.264, if I have performance issues I have proxies to fall back on.
You would be doing yourself a huge favor if you right click on the H.264 originals in the Event Browser and select Transcode media and select Create Optimized Media. You can delete all those transcoded files later when you finish your project, but in the meantime, I have to say: FCPX will struggle to play original media like H.264 while editing. H.264 is a highly compressed "delivery" format optimized for playback only. The transcoded optimized media in FCPX is ProRes 422 optimized for editing. Every frame in ProRes is a complete image of that frame whereas in H.264, only the data that changes from one frame to the next occupies a specific frame (except for "key frames" which are complete images used as a starting point in a "block of images"). It takes a lot of processing power to assemble a complete frame for editing/display when using that format.
Karsten was right about nesting compound clips... they will start taking a severe performance hit if you use too many. FCPX has a feature that allows you to build "Auditions" which lets you line up as many clips as you like to occupy a specific time in your project. You can select which version you wish to use right in the storyline. This is a very short tutorial demonstrating the use of auditions in FCPX : http://www.rippletraining.com/under-5-controlling-your-auditions.html

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