Monitor recomendation for editing/color corection/ grading?

Hello
I am c300 owner, and slowly learning editing and color correction on my CS6 PP, probably later will learn to work as well in Resolve..... anyway, when it comes to pc monitors what would u recommend? and what should i look at when buying monitor? how many monitors do i need?
my pc specs : I7 950 3.07GHz, Win7 64 bit, 24GB ram, GTX 580 3GB
Regards

naumen,
Aug 8, 2013 8:21 PM in reply to Kranex1
so u say if my card is just 8 bit.... curently gtx580 , but planing to get 680 or 780 ...... still 8 bit, its not worth getting 10bit monitor or even higher prduction monitor? right?
Right! Those are gaming cards; very fast, but for pro applications they do not support 10 bit. You need a Quadro for that. And its all or nothing: 10 bit monitor, application, OS, and card to support it.

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continuing with the installation,
Continue? (y/n) [n] y
Ignoring required pre-requisite failures. Continuing...Preparing to launch Oracle Universal Installer from /tmp/OraInstall2012-09-17_04-00-30PM. Please wait ...xxxx:/xxx/11g203_AIX64_5L/database-> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: sun.awt.motif.MToolkit (initialization failure)
at java.lang.J9VMInternals.initialize(J9VMInternals.java:134)
at java.lang.Class.forNameImpl(Native Method)
at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:130)
at java.awt.Toolkit$2.run(Toolkit.java:864)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(AccessController.java:192)
at java.awt.Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit(Toolkit.java:847)
at com.jgoodies.looks.LookUtils.isLowResolution(LookUtils.java:484)
at com.jgoodies.looks.LookUtils.<clinit>(LookUtils.java:249)
at java.lang.J9VMInternals.initializeImpl(Native Method)
at java.lang.J9VMInternals.initialize(J9VMInternals.java:196)
at com.jgoodies.looks.plastic.PlasticLookAndFeel.<clinit>(PlasticLookAndFeel.java:135)
at java.lang.J9VMInternals.initializeImpl(Native Method)
at java.lang.J9VMInternals.initialize(J9VMInternals.java:196)
at java.lang.J9VMInternals.initialize(J9VMInternals.java:161)
at java.lang.J9VMInternals.initialize(J9VMInternals.java:161)
at java.lang.J9VMInternals.initialize(J9VMInternals.java:161)
at java.lang.Class.forNameImpl(Native Method)
at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:163)
at javax.swing.SwingUtilities.loadSystemClass(SwingUtilities.java:1812)
at javax.swing.UIManager.setLookAndFeel(UIManager.java:510)
at oracle.install.commons.util.Application.startup(Application.java:780)
at oracle.install.commons.flow.FlowApplication.startup(FlowApplication.java:165)
at oracle.install.commons.flow.FlowApplication.startup(FlowApplication.java:182)
at oracle.install.commons.base.driver.common.Installer.startup(Installer.java:348)
at oracle.install.ivw.db.driver.DBInstaller.startup(DBInstaller.java:124)
at oracle.install.ivw.db.driver.DBInstaller.main(DBInstaller.java:155)
Edited by: 951932 on Sep 17, 2012 2:12 PM

Tecra A7-112 Display can't display all the colors corectly

Hi, I have the same problem with my display as the one in this post: http://forums.computers.toshiba-europe.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=14718&messageID=54000
It seems that my screen can't display all the colors corectly and there appear somekind of stains/artefacts in most of the colors.
Here is a photo, not so good but still, with my issue:
http://www.logicode.ro/test.jpg
http://www.logicode.ro/test1.jpg
You can see the first color - pure red it seems ok and solid but he second - a small varation of red it has artefacts / somekind of stains.
I learned that this is a dithering issue which may be resolved in BIOS.
For the Satellite A100-237 the problem was fixed by downgrading to a older version of bios, but what can I do with my Tecra A7-112 notebook? :|
Message was edited by: eStatic

So I sent an e-mail to TOSHIBA rearding my problem and thet told me exactly this:
"It's no BIOS problem. We think the display is defective. You can contact on of our Service partners to repair the device."
So I sent it to TOSHIBA and they said that they will replace my LCD. Today I got my laptop back but I don't know if they did replace the LCD and I still have the problem. The dealer from which I bought the laptop will replace it with a brand new one but I'm scared it will have the same problem.
Now I'm lost as people from this forum told this is a BIOS problem but TOSHIBA denied this...

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