Motion 4 render quality from FCP

I do not appear to get the same quality rendering .motn on the FCP timeline as I do exporting .mov out of Motion 4, and so far a I can tell I have set my FCP sequence to do "best" quality. I'm using the 4444 codec. I'm evaluating by exporting .mov from FCP. What have I missed?

Phillip, we've seen a couple of similar post recently. I haven't followed them closely (altho I may have posted on one or two) but you might try scrolling down the Motion forum a few pages to see what turns up. You may find something that helps.
I just finished a Final Cut project with about a dozen Motion files pulled into the FCP timeline and rendered in FCP and an equal number of Motion projects rendered out of Motion as movies and imported. They all looked the same to me when the project was finished. Never used anamorphic, though, so I dunno if that could be a factor—shouldn't be.
bogiesan

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Exporting in prores still displays artifacts and they show up when I bring it into FCP (regardless of whether I import the clip fresh or have it saved back from a "send").
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