Motion 5 and compressor 4 with FCP ?

Hi,
Is it possible to use motion 5 and copressor 4 with FCP 7 ?
Thanks
Ivan

Sort of – by exporting and reimporting as clips. There is no round-tripping. For example, you can't send a clip as a Motion project to Motion4, save and have the clip update in FCP. You'd have to export a clip (or sequence) as a self-contained movie and bring it into Motion (or Compressor), make your changes, exporty and reimport as a clip, see how you liked the result, etc. Much easiier to stay within FCS.
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http://www.larryjordan.biz/articles/ljbitrate.html
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This from hanumang's response to Jerry Hofmann over in the FCP discussion forum:
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