Motion menu difficulty

Is anyone else having difficulty using the motion menus? I am using a menu with a motion background and audio background as well as using 8 video buttons motion video. This is something I have done a thousand times in Encore 1.5 but when I go to render it gets stuck and does not respond , I have tried not using the motion buttons and using the background only to no avail. When I preview without rendering everything shows up fine. I installed 2.0 without uninstalling 1.5

Just to keep anyone updated who is having a similar problem. It is either my installation or this is a bug in the program as I have created another project (this time smaller) with a different motion background video & audio along with two motion video buttons along with different files for those as well, just as before the program hangs\crashes at a certain point when rendering using the "animate buttons" check. As before I created the same exact project in 1.5 again with no problems.

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Timeline to Motion menu black gap

I am creating a Blu-ray DVD from HDV footage 23.98 encoded to mv2 using compressor as 1440 x 1080 @ 23.98 15-25mbps. Created the DVD in Encore CS4. When the video ends it goes to black for about 3 seconds then goes to the motion menu which is a match frame from the video in the timeline. There are no overrides set and it is programed to jump to the motion menu at the end at the timeline. Anyone seen this and know a work around? The only thing that is non standard is that the motion menus are a 5 minute video that is counting down. Would a five minute motion menu cause this?
Second question:
Can a motion menu be paused at the end the way DVD Studio Pro does?

Generally this is a player specific issue and not the authoring.
Most dvd and blu-ray players will freeze the last frame of the previous menu/transition/timeline while it loads the next one. Some players do not (such as the PS3 I believe).
Also, this is unlikely your issue, but sometimes when a disc is burned too fast, the player has difficulty reading the disc (trying to read over the errors), thus causing prolonged delays between menus/transitions/timelines where the player will display black as it searches for the asset on the disc.

Motion menu / poor quality / low resolution

Hi everyone,
I'm having some trouble with motion menu resolution.
I'm working on a project that consists of six short video clips. As first play, I'm using an asset that contains all six video's. After this, I want to introduce a motion menu showing the six clips - allowing the viewer to watch certain clips again and again.
To achieve this, I created separate tracks for each of the clips, and dragged these from the outline window to the menu window.
The project is working (basically) how I want it to, except that the resolution / image quality of the clips in the motion menu is not anywhere near sufficient.
I know that the 'simulate' option is limited in this respect, but I'm talking about the menu as it is shown in apple dvd player. I first tried building the project and viewing it in apple dvd player, and even burned an actual dvd to see if that would help - which it didn't.
I have searched the manual and these forums for answers but haven't been able to find a solution.
Here's hoping someone has an idea!
Thanks in advance,
Lianne.
G4 Mac OS X (10.4.7) DVDSP 3.0.2

Hi Drew, you again Thanks for your response.
After reading the manual chapter you mentioned and a chapter it refers to, I decided that my menu does need to be rendered. It said in the manual that changing the final rendering from hardware to software should result in a better result. I tried that and I do think the resolution is marginally better - still no good though!
The video tracks themselves (which were used to create the buttons in the motion menu) look fine, even when I stretch the window to the max. This suggests to me that the video in itself is okay. I don't understand why the same clips look so bad in a menu where they are only 1/8 the size? I would expect quite the opposite...
Might it have something to do with the way I've created the buttons (i.e. dragging from the outline window?). I'm going to try and create the menu in a different way.
In the meantime, suggestions are still more than welcome!

For all of you who are having Motion Menu render problems - try this

Just humour me for a minute.
I have another Sonic application, and a known bug in the Motion Menu rendering applies to 29.97DF projects only.
IE, NTSC.
Often the video in a motion menu will fail to mux.
There are workarounds though.
1 - Make sure your GOP structure is 15 at most
2 - Make certain the frame length of your video file is divisible by the GOP structure. IE, it must be a multiple of 15 frames.
3 - if these both fail, reduce the bitrate of the video 500kbps at a time until it muxes. Most will work at 7,000, some need to be 6,000 and there are even times when you need to go as low as 4000.
Try it - Encore uses a Sonic Authorcore, so it's worth a look.

>Are you saying that NTSC 29.97 divided by 15 is okay?
Not really.
What I am saying is that your movie frame length should be divisible by the GOP structure with a GOP of 15.
With NTSC video, you can have GOP lengths
i up to
18, but it is not mandatory to go to 18 - 15 is a perfectly acceptable figure. You could use a GOP of 12 if you really wanted to. What this means is typically the number of frames between I-Frames.
MPEG-2 encoding (AKA "Moving Pictures by Educated Guesswork") P & B frames work something like this:
i P-frames provide more compression than I-frames because they take advantage of the data in the previous I-frame or P-frame. I-frames and P-frames are called reference frames. To generate a P-frame, the previous reference frame is reconstructed, just as it would be in a TV receiver or DVD player. The frame being compressed is divided into 16 pixel by 16 pixel macroblocks. Then, for each of those macroblocks, the reconstructed reference frame is searched to find that 16 by 16 macroblock that best matches the macroblock being compressed. The offset is encoded as a "motion vector." Frequently, the offset is zero. But, if something in the picture is moving, the offset might be something like 23 pixels to the right and 4 pixels up. The match between the two macroblocks will often not be perfect. To correct for this, the encoder computes the strings of coefficient values as described above for both macroblocks and, then, subtracts one from the other. This "residual" is appended to the motion vector and the result sent to the receiver or stored on the DVD for each macroblock being compressed. Sometimes no suitable match is found. Then, the macroblock is treated like an I-frame macroblock. The processing of B-frames is similar to that of P-frames except that B-frames use the picture in the following reference frame as well as the picture in the preceding reference frame. As a result, B-frames usually provide more compression than P-frames. B-frames are never reference frames.
In short, the I-Frame is the full description reference frame. A P frame is also a reference frame but describes the difference between the last I-Frame & itself. A good analogy is when you are on the telephone & describing what you see to a friend. The initial background description (The street, the sky, what you can see etc) would be an I-Frame. Then you describe a person walking down the street - that would be your P-Frames, as you are only describing the i changes
in the scene.
The bitrate can also affect things - I mentioned this too, and if a motion menu will not mux, first make sure that the film length is divisible by the GOP, and that the GOP is 15.
If it
i still
won't mux, drop the bitrate by factors of 500 until it will.

Motion menu not working

I'm frustrated. In the menu, under Properties/Motion tab, I select the video that I want to set up as my motion menu and it's not working. All I see is a static image of the video clip. The audio works but not the video clip set for motion. Please help.

But what I remembered is using part of a clip in Encore and I had a hell of a job to, anyway, unsuccessfully work the sound out ok. This is when I made the exact clip I needed in PP and imported it in Encore. Then I set the loop for ever. This way you can have this clip playing till someone chose what to wathch. I guess it's nice to have some movie starting automatically when there are not to many choices from them.
When doing both a Motion Menu and also adding Audio to it, you will probably be best served to Export these as elemental streams from PrPro, and Import those into Encore.
I will create a new Sequence in the Project, and create the Video part to the intended Duration for the Motion Menu. Same for my Audio, and often do this in yet another Sequence. I will chose Audio source files with quite a bit of repetition during the Duration, and a fade-in/fade-out to it. I've marked a half-dozen SmartSound pieces, that work very well for this.
The Video is Exported as DV-AVI Type II, with NO Audio, and multiplexing is turned off.
The Audio is Exported as either PCM/WAV 48KHz 16-bit, or AC3 DD 5.1 SS through the SurCode encoder (plug-in that costs ~US$250) for Surround Sound, NO Video and no multiplexing, obviously.
Doing it this way solves a lot of potential problems. Muxed files can cause issues with En, though not always.
One caveat that I learned the hard way - if you have Audio on your Menu and also Button Transitions with Audio, you will want the Audio for each to match perfectly in format and CODEC. Otherwise you will probably loose the Audio in one, or the other. Last caveat - stay as far away from MP3's as you can. Some work, some just do not and the quality will already have suffered greatly. I only use these for some of my SFX in PrPro and never, never for anything else.
Good luck and don't forget to Render those Motion Menus... [Grin]
Hunt

Is it possible to have a video loop while audio plays in a motion menu?

Hi!
Here's the deal:
I have a seamlesly looping 8 second video clip for my motion menu, but the audio file for that menu lasts 1 minute. For rendering time/disc space and bit budgeting purposes I would like to use the video file as a loop while the audio file plays trough in my motion menu.
Is it possible to have the video file loop while the audio plays trough, or do I have to make my video 1 minute long too?
Any help will be appreciated!

The video must also be 1 minute long too.
You could always loop the 8 second clip though.
Load up Premiere, add your loop & 1 minute audio clip.
Set 2 seconds silence at the head of the audio.
Loop your 8 second clip 8 times to give you a 64 second video clip.
This will give you 2 seconds of silence at the trailing end, but there is really no other way

Change color in an Encore motion menu background

I am thinking about using an existing Encore menu but I would like to take the moving background which is shades of blue and change it to shades of another color. I've done this in PS for fixed backgrounds by right clicking and sending the menu to photoshop.
However I am not sure 100% on how to do this for a pre-built menu with motion? I assume it is some kind of workflow of adding the menu to an Encore project and then sending the video from that timeline (as a video track not a menu?) to Pre Pro and using color tools there to replace color, etc.....then rendering it with an appropriate codec and somehow marrying it back with the original menu buttons, etc. in Encore..
Just not sure how to make that all happen! Any help would be appreciated.
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BJBBJB1

You are on the right track. A Motion Menu uses a Video Asset (and maybe an Audio Asset too), for the motion.
All you have to do is create a Video Asset, or modify an existing one, Import that into Encore as an Asset, and then use the Pickwhip to link to that for the Motion Menu Background.
Once, those Video Assets for Motion Menus were WMV files, but in those days, Encore was ported for the PC only. Now, with X-platform capabilities, the format is M2v.
I would take the Motion Menu Background Video into PrPro, adjust the colors, and change it, in any way you need, then Export that for Import into Encore. If you have used a Menu Template, then there will be an existing Motion Menu Background Video already associated with it. Just use the Pickwhip to change that association.
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Hunt

DVD Burn Error: too much motion menu content yet not much.

hi
Keep getting this when i try to burn my DVD, can anyone advise?
+- The following warnings and errors were found during the validation of the current project:+
+- There seems to be too much motion menu content in your project. Correct this problem before you continue burning this project.+
Message was edited by: Logic Pro

Perhaps you can elaborate a bit more. How many menus do you have in the project? In the scenes menus how many motion buttons do you have? How many differen audio files are you using in the menus? Of the files you dropped into motion menus/buttons, how long are those clips? How long are the various audio files you are using? ? ? ? ?? ????? ???????????
I can't see your project so I have no idea what you are already using and if what you have is clearly excessive or not.
Patrick

Audio Motion Menu Limit

Hello!
I am at a stage in my project that i need to add a voice over to the dvd. The dvd consists of 110 static menus - which up until now has worked fine. I have an audio file that needs to be cut up for each section, and the file is 460mb - so each menu will roughly have 4mb of audio on it.
So am I right or wrong in saying that after all the menus have the audio in, the motion menu size will be 460mb? or maybe a bit more including the static menu elements? If not is their anyway I can work out what the total size of the motion menu's will be?
This is pretty urgent so any help would be very very appreciated.
Thanks,
Steven.

You should be okay as long as you don't exceed a total of 1Gb in Menu Space.
Over that & all bets are off.
Under that, and you should be okay.

Motion Menue transcoded in Encore is jittering even if framerate is correct

Dear users,
do you experience the same? I have a motion menue encoded in Encore and burnt onto Bluray. I used a quicktime 23.976p file on import as all footage is in 23.976fps as well. Fusion automatically transcoded the file to an m2ts. When I play the Bluray on a hardware player, the motion menue seems to jitter (judder). I check the corresponding m2ts-file in after effects and I see that the framerate seems to be correct, 23.976, but on some frames the video doesn't move, but repeats a frame. How can this be? When source files have all the same framerate?
I am using Encore 5.0 on Windows 7 64bit.
Is this a bug?
Thank you much.

I seem to be having a similar problem, but mine is on DVD with a motion menu. The video, despite the frame rate and conversion method, is rendered as interlaced instead of progressive in Encore. I found this article on Creative Cow that describes my exact issue, and it seems like the issue you are having as well.
http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/145/870084

Video in 16:9 Motion menu preview being cropped

I can't find any discussion on this but am maybe asking the wrong question.
How do I get the 16:9 preview buttons on a 16:9 motion menu to play without cropping the top and bottom of the source clip? I don't understand why a 16:9 clip doesn't fill a 16:9 preview window- and can't find any setting which fixes this.
4:3 preview windows play fine.
Hope someone can help.
Thanks, Steve

I'm not sure that you're describing what's happening well. Can you describe what you're doing in a little more detail? Or could it be you're actually doing letterboxing, not 16:9?
Alex

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Is there a way to do this?
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StooB

I´ve just seen I can´t use video in layered menus, that´s after creating the whole menu system without being told in the manual...
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Motion Menu Woes

Please would someone help me with this...
I have a simple menu structure: 6 buttons linking to encoded m2v files (each video is about 4 minutes long). The background of the menu is a looping video (transcoded to m2v) and the audio is coming from a wave file.
If I select 'animate buttons' when I render the motion menu, it hangs. I have tried re-encoding the quicktime files and still it hangs. I removed the background looping video, and it doesn't make a difference - all roads lead to a hang!
I have spent hours and hours on this and just cannot get it right. What am I doing wrong?
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Help Customizing Motion Menu

Hello:
I am trying to customize one of the motion menus that came with Encore CS2. Its called Television Menu.em   This is the first time I've tried customizing a motion menu. I've had no problems customizing the non-motion menus, even animating them in After Effects. The first problem here is that I need a widescreen version which of course isn't included. So I took the 4x3 menu and edited in Photoshop by creating an NTCS DV Widescreen 720 x 480 canvas, and then copying and pasting everything from the original .psd file into it. And then put in a nice background that blends with the color scheme. So haven't really changed anything from the original menu .psd file. Saved that out, brought it into Encore, and connected it to the .wmv file that comes with this particular motion menu. Rendered it out as a motion menu. Preview. Nothing!!! No snow on the TV! I haven't even gotten to the steps where I move all this into After Effects to animate stuff in and out, because I can't get the thing to work right in Encore even without doing any After Effects work. Best I can tell, it must have something to do with the fact that I made the .psd part of the menu into widescreen and for some reason, it won't play the connected video file. Sure would be nice if I could find this particular menu in widescreen, but since I can't, I just thought I'd make it myself. Hmmm. I am stumped as to why I can't get past this seemingly simple step. Must be something I don't understand.
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Hi Addison,
Here is a sample which renames customers and search entries from crm menu:
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Regards,
Radu

My motion menu's look like trash! Help!

I made some motion menus (in Motion) and am using them in a DVDSP project.
Anywho, the DVD motion menu images look pretty pixilated, and some of main intro motion flickers a bit when it's moving. Got any ideas why this is happening?
Also, if it's helpful, I created them in 720p, but creating a SD DVD. (I also created my video track assets in 720, however, like I had hoped, DVDSP did encode these for standard.)
Thanks!

applevideodude wrote:
But is there any way to "compress" the motion file down to 16:9 NTSC, and have it still be a motion file?
When you first start a project, you can chose the size of your file (NTSC, 720p, 1080i, etc.) Is there any way to change this after the fact?
Your best bet is just to use Compressor to do conversions though you can change project settings but they will not carry through. You can see what happens if you take an HD preset(or SD preset) then Project Properties(+J) and how things get changed in positions. You are usually best off deciding ahead of time what to set things up as. Usually a HD setting will work fine to go to 16:9 SD via Compressor.
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