Motion Menu Renders Interlaced

Related to this topic http://forums.adobe.com/message/5716612#5716612 which refers to Blu-ray, but I am using DVD. It sems like the same issue. I don't know if this is a DVD limitation, or if it's an Encore one. No matter what, my motion menu renders interlaced and it looks pretty terrible. Is this something I can correct?
Preview within Encore after rendering the menu.
Actual video

Burn and disk and test on a TV. Use a player that handles progressive. I don't know what you will see, but don't trust Encore preview.
See this thread:
http://forums.adobe.com/message/1803390#1803390
I think it was bluray, but Encore will re-transcode motion menus if you mess with them at all. And I think I recall some users having the problem you are describing. The workaround is burning everything in the menu to the motion background except for the highlight layers themselves.

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Motion menu renders white

I have a template project which i've been using for years. Today - the quicktime mov animated background previews ok within DVDSP but when I come to build/burn the DVD the background is pure white. The motion buttons render correctly with video.
The only thing I can think of is a quicktime update may have caused this? v7.5.0 (861) or something has been corrupt in my project.
Any one else experienced this?

OK...I'm not going crazy...or we both are. Same deal, except I didn't upgrade QT...still on 7.4.1 (14).
I posted this on Creative Cow DVDSP forum also Thursday & no response yet. Did you get a fix?
Thanks,
Lee
860-895-1000
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For all of you who are having Motion Menu render problems - try this

Just humour me for a minute.
I have another Sonic application, and a known bug in the Motion Menu rendering applies to 29.97DF projects only.
IE, NTSC.
Often the video in a motion menu will fail to mux.
There are workarounds though.
1 - Make sure your GOP structure is 15 at most
2 - Make certain the frame length of your video file is divisible by the GOP structure. IE, it must be a multiple of 15 frames.
3 - if these both fail, reduce the bitrate of the video 500kbps at a time until it muxes. Most will work at 7,000, some need to be 6,000 and there are even times when you need to go as low as 4000.
Try it - Encore uses a Sonic Authorcore, so it's worth a look.

>Are you saying that NTSC 29.97 divided by 15 is okay?
Not really.
What I am saying is that your movie frame length should be divisible by the GOP structure with a GOP of 15.
With NTSC video, you can have GOP lengths
i up to
18, but it is not mandatory to go to 18 - 15 is a perfectly acceptable figure. You could use a GOP of 12 if you really wanted to. What this means is typically the number of frames between I-Frames.
MPEG-2 encoding (AKA "Moving Pictures by Educated Guesswork") P & B frames work something like this:
i P-frames provide more compression than I-frames because they take advantage of the data in the previous I-frame or P-frame. I-frames and P-frames are called reference frames. To generate a P-frame, the previous reference frame is reconstructed, just as it would be in a TV receiver or DVD player. The frame being compressed is divided into 16 pixel by 16 pixel macroblocks. Then, for each of those macroblocks, the reconstructed reference frame is searched to find that 16 by 16 macroblock that best matches the macroblock being compressed. The offset is encoded as a "motion vector." Frequently, the offset is zero. But, if something in the picture is moving, the offset might be something like 23 pixels to the right and 4 pixels up. The match between the two macroblocks will often not be perfect. To correct for this, the encoder computes the strings of coefficient values as described above for both macroblocks and, then, subtracts one from the other. This "residual" is appended to the motion vector and the result sent to the receiver or stored on the DVD for each macroblock being compressed. Sometimes no suitable match is found. Then, the macroblock is treated like an I-frame macroblock. The processing of B-frames is similar to that of P-frames except that B-frames use the picture in the following reference frame as well as the picture in the preceding reference frame. As a result, B-frames usually provide more compression than P-frames. B-frames are never reference frames.
In short, the I-Frame is the full description reference frame. A P frame is also a reference frame but describes the difference between the last I-Frame & itself. A good analogy is when you are on the telephone & describing what you see to a friend. The initial background description (The street, the sky, what you can see etc) would be an I-Frame. Then you describe a person walking down the street - that would be your P-Frames, as you are only describing the i changes
in the scene.
The bitrate can also affect things - I mentioned this too, and if a motion menu will not mux, first make sure that the film length is divisible by the GOP, and that the GOP is 15.
If it
i still
won't mux, drop the bitrate by factors of 500 until it will.

File Not Found Error When Rendering Motion Menu

Hi there.
I'm attempting to render a motion menu and keep getting the error "file not found". All of the necessary files are available and no specific missing file is mentioned.
The background video is a .m2v, and there is a .wav audio file too. They are 42 seconds long.
I tried other Encore projects and 2 others are doing the same thing, or coming up with a 'General Error'.
I have cleaned the Database in the Media Cache. I have uninstalled and reinstalled Encore. There are no updates available.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
David

Yeah, it would have taken me quite a while to redo the menus completely! So I was very thankful for the save to menu template option.
When I (not recently, thank goodness!) have a project I suspect of corruption, I create a new project, and just "import as menu" from the old menu subdirectory. The method you used deletes the menus, so exporting the menus helps.
Mac OS 10.6.8
That's Snow Leopard, right?
Actually, I'm not really sure about Encore terminology (this was my first project), but the only motion I have in my menus is the line that appears under the button text when that button is highlighted. At one point I had the photo buttons (for videos) set to animate, but I removed that option.
A highlight is just a highlight, not "motion." Animated buttons, when rendered as the menu, are actually a video background, so that was a motion menu.
All 30 slideshows are actually individual video timelines. They were created and exported from Photosho Lightroom 3.
In Encore terminology, those are just videos - many Encore users choose to do slideshows as videos.
I had originally tried creating each one as a slideshow from within Encore, but I was DEEPLY dismayed by how slow Encore became, evetually locking up at least once per hour. It was ridiculous, even taking into account the fact that it is not a 64-bit program. I planned to leave 2 of the songs as Encore slideshows (Lightroom can't do Pan/Zoom), but in the end I had to replace them with mp4s because the slideshows just would not play. Really, it was about 11 wasted days plus 4 productive days to get me through the project!
Encore has a variety of problems with slideshows, but I suspect from your description that you were using very large images. Scaling them down a bit can improve performance.

Encore CS6 Rendering of Motion Menu very Slow

I have a motion menu with 4 motion buttons 1500 frames in length. It takes 1hour and 14 minutes to render. So with 5 menus it takes 6 hours to render 5 minutes of menu. I have a HP Z800 with two X5660 xeon processors with 48gB of ram and a raid 1E disc with sas 15000rpm discs.CPU usage shows 7%. Disc throughput is small. Does anyone know how to fix this.
Regards Trevor

Hi Atlanta video,
I want to ask few questions to understand the issue.
1. Are you able to burn same project sucessfully even once ?
2. Can you attach motion menu that is crashing while rendering ?
3. Is this crash consistent ?
4. Is this crash happens with only specific size motion menu (1920x1080 , 1440 x1080) ?
Also please attach crash dump .
If you are on Mac you will get crash data ,if you are on windows please follow the instructions to copy the crash dump:
"when the crash occurs and windows error reporting throws the dialog ‘windows is collecting information’ , let it run as its creating the dumps etc and then when the ‘send error report’ dialog comes, it shows path to 3 files if you enlarge the dialog with ‘view details’.
Two of those are general app info files, third is a actual dump file (with extension .mdmp). While this dialog is open we can copy the .mdmp from the temp location"
This information will help in isolating the issue.
Thanks
Minu

Motion menu: interlaced or progressive?

I'm coming from Sony DVD Architect which required progressive video when using as a motion menu. Is there a preference when using motion menus in Encore?
Thank you, Marc

Well, even going from HD interlaced to SD interlaced can cause problems, so going to SD progressive is riddled with more problems and not necessarily possible to be done properly. If the footage has been flagged with a pulldown pattern, then absolutely get it 23.976 PsF in After Effects (or something) for your final outputs (dvds, compressions, etc.). Once clips are edited together and exported as a self-contained movie, any pulldown pattern that existed for the individual clips won't necessarily be detectable or removable.
The only way that I have found to make a great encoded file when going from HD interlaced to SD is to master to HDCAM, and then capture back as SD 29i anamorphic (NTSC D1 720x486 ProResHQ). Then I encode this file in After Effects as an m2v, with the render output cropping out the 6 lines. This is not very practical for most people because you need to have an HDCAM deck and a Kona 3 (or equivalent) card. Again not practical for most, but a DigiBeta deck could be used instead and do the downconvert on the way out to tape.
There are other ways to de-interlace a video, but I am talking about getting proper motion and titles/credits to look as close to perfect as possible.
When the source file is progressive to begin with, I drag the file into a new comp in After Effects. Change the comp settings to 720x480 (1.21 PAR) 23.976, scale the video to the correct size, and render out an m2v.
The motion menus could be progressive even if the rest of the dvd is all interlaced.

New To Encore - Photoshop Error 1 - Rendering motion menu

I have fount MANY threads, but none with answers or solutions I can understand.
I'm running Mac OsX
En & PS CS5.1
Error occurred when I tried to Build, I then realized I didn't try to render my motion menu first, tried that and got the same error.
Please help!

Encore needs read/write permissions for all its directories, and Mavericks may not set them that way. Here is one thread:
Some users reports the following fixes their problems:
http://forums.adobe.com/message/6109315#6109315
If not Mavericks, here are some threads:
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/621424
Resolved by shortening filename.
http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/145/864981
Using AE generated psd file that used layers that were mov’s. Resolved by flattening and other steps?
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/588273
Lots of issues re filename length, special characters, etc.

Motion Menue transcoded in Encore is jittering even if framerate is correct

Dear users,
do you experience the same? I have a motion menue encoded in Encore and burnt onto Bluray. I used a quicktime 23.976p file on import as all footage is in 23.976fps as well. Fusion automatically transcoded the file to an m2ts. When I play the Bluray on a hardware player, the motion menue seems to jitter (judder). I check the corresponding m2ts-file in after effects and I see that the framerate seems to be correct, 23.976, but on some frames the video doesn't move, but repeats a frame. How can this be? When source files have all the same framerate?
I am using Encore 5.0 on Windows 7 64bit.
Is this a bug?
Thank you much.

I seem to be having a similar problem, but mine is on DVD with a motion menu. The video, despite the frame rate and conversion method, is rendered as interlaced instead of progressive in Encore. I found this article on Creative Cow that describes my exact issue, and it seems like the issue you are having as well.
http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/145/870084

Motion menu / poor quality / low resolution

Hi everyone,
I'm having some trouble with motion menu resolution.
I'm working on a project that consists of six short video clips. As first play, I'm using an asset that contains all six video's. After this, I want to introduce a motion menu showing the six clips - allowing the viewer to watch certain clips again and again.
To achieve this, I created separate tracks for each of the clips, and dragged these from the outline window to the menu window.
The project is working (basically) how I want it to, except that the resolution / image quality of the clips in the motion menu is not anywhere near sufficient.
I know that the 'simulate' option is limited in this respect, but I'm talking about the menu as it is shown in apple dvd player. I first tried building the project and viewing it in apple dvd player, and even burned an actual dvd to see if that would help - which it didn't.
I have searched the manual and these forums for answers but haven't been able to find a solution.
Here's hoping someone has an idea!
Thanks in advance,
Lianne.
G4 Mac OS X (10.4.7) DVDSP 3.0.2

Hi Drew, you again Thanks for your response.
After reading the manual chapter you mentioned and a chapter it refers to, I decided that my menu does need to be rendered. It said in the manual that changing the final rendering from hardware to software should result in a better result. I tried that and I do think the resolution is marginally better - still no good though!
The video tracks themselves (which were used to create the buttons in the motion menu) look fine, even when I stretch the window to the max. This suggests to me that the video in itself is okay. I don't understand why the same clips look so bad in a menu where they are only 1/8 the size? I would expect quite the opposite...
Might it have something to do with the way I've created the buttons (i.e. dragging from the outline window?). I'm going to try and create the menu in a different way.
In the meantime, suggestions are still more than welcome!

Is it possible to have a video loop while audio plays in a motion menu?

Hi!
Here's the deal:
I have a seamlesly looping 8 second video clip for my motion menu, but the audio file for that menu lasts 1 minute. For rendering time/disc space and bit budgeting purposes I would like to use the video file as a loop while the audio file plays trough in my motion menu.
Is it possible to have the video file loop while the audio plays trough, or do I have to make my video 1 minute long too?
Any help will be appreciated!

The video must also be 1 minute long too.
You could always loop the 8 second clip though.
Load up Premiere, add your loop & 1 minute audio clip.
Set 2 seconds silence at the head of the audio.
Loop your 8 second clip 8 times to give you a 64 second video clip.
This will give you 2 seconds of silence at the trailing end, but there is really no other way

Change color in an Encore motion menu background

I am thinking about using an existing Encore menu but I would like to take the moving background which is shades of blue and change it to shades of another color. I've done this in PS for fixed backgrounds by right clicking and sending the menu to photoshop.
However I am not sure 100% on how to do this for a pre-built menu with motion? I assume it is some kind of workflow of adding the menu to an Encore project and then sending the video from that timeline (as a video track not a menu?) to Pre Pro and using color tools there to replace color, etc.....then rendering it with an appropriate codec and somehow marrying it back with the original menu buttons, etc. in Encore..
Just not sure how to make that all happen! Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
BJBBJB1

You are on the right track. A Motion Menu uses a Video Asset (and maybe an Audio Asset too), for the motion.
All you have to do is create a Video Asset, or modify an existing one, Import that into Encore as an Asset, and then use the Pickwhip to link to that for the Motion Menu Background.
Once, those Video Assets for Motion Menus were WMV files, but in those days, Encore was ported for the PC only. Now, with X-platform capabilities, the format is M2v.
I would take the Motion Menu Background Video into PrPro, adjust the colors, and change it, in any way you need, then Export that for Import into Encore. If you have used a Menu Template, then there will be an existing Motion Menu Background Video already associated with it. Just use the Pickwhip to change that association.
Good luck,
Hunt

CS5 Encore Animated Menu Rendering Problem

Anybody who could help! I am still experimenting but haven't find the solution (either very simple, or a serious bug ). Here is the problem: If I do any edit on the menu after setting the poster frames and/or inserting a motion (avi) or still (wav) background and re-render the menu, it plays the audio but shows the highlights only on a black background. Before rendering, all the (non-moving) background and/or the button pictures can be seen. For a simple experiment, I use the "NTSC Blank Menu" from the "General" Set in the Library panel with the "Drive-in Video Button". My only solution at this point is to start from the beginning with the Blank Menu and copy everything from the non-functioning menu, and insert the background and/or the button pictures (via the poster frame selection), but do not touch anything at this point, and render it, it works as it supposed to. I checked the layers in Photoshop and there is no difference between the functioning and non-functioning menu layer sets. (It points to the animation part as a possible culprit in Encore.) Also, I couldn't find any way to just remove/reinsert the background/button pictures and make it work. This might even be a quirk only with this menu? I would greatly appreciate any suggestion. - Laci.

Hi LaciG,
I just encountered the same problem tonight. So I knew exactly what you were refering to. I tried several approaches to work around this issue including erasing the motion menu background source file and re-importing in and starting the menu from scratch again and neither worked. Eventually I did find a work around here it goes: First I erased the buggy menu and motion menu source file (AVI). Next I copied the whole Encore project file and renamed it. Then I copied and renamed the avi file I used as the motion menu. After this I went in and used the template menu I originally used but renamed it in the asset list. Like you said when ever you mess with the menu like changing the chapter timeline poster or such, it messes up the render. So I made sure everything was the way it needed to be then added the AVI to the motion menu. I re-rendered and it worked. I know this is convoluted but it works, I guess this a good start but I may work on finding out what specific step it was in the process that did it. I had a similar problem in CS4 but could never figure out how to fix it and now that I have Windows 7 using CS4 Encore was a nightmare so I switched to CS5 and ran into the same bug as you. Well I hope this helps

Help Customizing Motion Menu

Hello:
I am trying to customize one of the motion menus that came with Encore CS2. Its called Television Menu.em   This is the first time I've tried customizing a motion menu. I've had no problems customizing the non-motion menus, even animating them in After Effects. The first problem here is that I need a widescreen version which of course isn't included. So I took the 4x3 menu and edited in Photoshop by creating an NTCS DV Widescreen 720 x 480 canvas, and then copying and pasting everything from the original .psd file into it. And then put in a nice background that blends with the color scheme. So haven't really changed anything from the original menu .psd file. Saved that out, brought it into Encore, and connected it to the .wmv file that comes with this particular motion menu. Rendered it out as a motion menu. Preview. Nothing!!! No snow on the TV! I haven't even gotten to the steps where I move all this into After Effects to animate stuff in and out, because I can't get the thing to work right in Encore even without doing any After Effects work. Best I can tell, it must have something to do with the fact that I made the .psd part of the menu into widescreen and for some reason, it won't play the connected video file. Sure would be nice if I could find this particular menu in widescreen, but since I can't, I just thought I'd make it myself. Hmmm. I am stumped as to why I can't get past this seemingly simple step. Must be something I don't understand.
Any ideas or suggestions cheerfully accepted!
Thanks,
Dave

Hi Addison,
Here is a sample which renames customers and search entries from crm menu:
"menu-customers-manage":
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"menu-customers-search":
      "title": "Site Member Search",
      "parent": "menu-customers",
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You have to specify parent attribute for children menus which you rename.I hope it helps.
Regards,
Radu

Creating motion menu in AE removes the motion button?

Hi all,
I created a project in Encore and moved it to After Effects to create a motion menu, worked like a beauty. Only problem is that the motion button I made in Encore (30 seconds of the video playing inside the button box) just stays as a single frame after I import back into Encore. I pre-rendered the menu just to make sure and all the animations I made work great but the button video just shows one frame.
Did I miss something in AE?
Thanks

I am using the menu -> create after effects compostition in encore. Then I can work on the menu in After Effects. Given the amount of things I have, I can't really take a snapshot.
I retried it using the NTSC Blank Menu, the Sunset Video button, and a small mp4. Results are the same: works perfectly in Encore. Then when I go to Menu -> create after effects composition, it opens After Effects and all the layers are good, but the video in the button has become a static image. All button functions are still good, but I don't get the 30 second looping vid inside. Just the first frame of the poster image...

CS6, standard motion menu loops to black

Since I have beaning having the problem with rendering my blu-ray project, I worked on a DVD project today that I had previously completed in CS5.5
My client requested some changes, so I made the modifications in Premier Pro, created a MPG2 file,
and replaced it in the encore project. This is a motion menu (standard "NTSC_Floral Menu").
Since this worked previously I had no doubt it would work again, but when I viewed the DVD, the menu (motion) only runs for about 30 seconds and goes to black. The thumb nail buttons are still visible (non animated).
The exact same thing happens in Preview!
Loop is set to forever!

Great, thank you both for your replies.
The motion menu is not created by me but one of your standard menu's included in the library. All I did was import the video and audio, create thumbnail buttons and linked to chapter points (non motion buttons).
Also when I replaced the asset, I did not use the "replace Asset option". I essentially did it the old school way (dumb way) by importing the new video asset only (not the Audio) with a new name. The change made to the Ppro project was just text. I then deleted the old asset, recreated my chapter points and relinked to the buttons.
Again, this problem never happened in CS5.1, only now in CS6.

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