Motion workflow with fcpx?

Hi! I have very basic question about the workflow between Final Cut Pro X and Motion 5.
I have two senarios:
one is where I just want to create cool looking titles in motion, and this answer I thing i have figured out, I just open up the motion project file that i have made with a specific title, in FCPX and i use it as a normal clip, is this the best way to do this?
two: I have a project im working on in FCPX and I want to animate stuff in the project, like match moves, effects particles etc, this is where I dont get it.
How are you supposed to use motion to achieve stuff inside of an ongoing project in fcp? Is the only way to do that to export certain parts of the project as a file and import the same file into motion and then add the stuff i wanted to do and ultimately reimport the the exportet version from motion to FCPX it seems like such a hassle. Maby im missing something obvious?
Every bit of help is appreciated.

Hi Guys
Sorry to ressurect such an old post. I'm just starting with FCXP, and I think I'm getting my head around it. It looks like Motion would be ace for creating custom titles. However, I always imagined Motion working like a plugin in FCPX, and I can't work out how the workflow described in the post above works for things like match move - where there needs to be a specific clip to match.
What I'm working on is a music video with some pretty swift transitions. I'd like to add match moving text to each shot.
What would be the ideal workflow for this type of motion graphic?
I should say at this point that I haven't yet bought Motion 5 - I'm just trying to work out if it can do what I'm after.
Thanks in advance for your help!
Mike

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Motions interaction with FCPX?

Hi all
I have recently started using FCPX on a MacBook Pro after playing around in iMovie for a bit (new Mac convert) but i never purchased the latest version of Motion with it.
I am wondering, what interaction Motion has with FCPX? Like do i have to export the timeline/individual clips to Motion to be able to add certain effects to clips in my time line, then import it back to FCPX? or does the Motion interface appear with in FCPX?
How do others edit using Motion and FCPX?
I hope that makes sense.
Thanks
Amanda

missamr wrote:
.... In Motion 5, are there additional effects that you can access in FCPX with out having to create them or if you create one how do you access it in FCP?
M5 is by far much more than just a 'bag of tricks'.
It is a tool box to create your very own ones.
And as Tom already mentioned above, you can use it as a stand-alone app to create 'effected clips', or you can access your own made titles, effects, transitions from FCPX.
this excellent tutorial showed me how:
http://library.creativecow.net/neil_andy/Motion-Quick-Tip-5-FCPX/1
Following this advice, I have my own tab for effects (and titles and transitions), and I have full access to the parameters of that from me created effect. Example:
in the timeline, you see a portrait of one of my soccer players on a second track ... (2nd track, 'cause it's a cut-away)
on lower right, you see the effects-browser, there's a tab SVP (=team's name)
in the browser are two me-made effects, selected is Torschütze (=goal scorer)
on top there are the 'published parameters': Name, Position, statistics - for shure I have to be able to individualize the effect for each scorer...
plus, a 'Transformation' area, to put the shot nice into the little frame, x, y, size - the rotation is automatically done by my effect ...
in result is seen in Preview (I'm using a 2 monitor set, therefor that odd arrangement of windows )
the effect has some alpha/transparency, the blueish stripes in the background are slowly animated ...
My scorer template has the team's colors, the needed infos (=has not the unwanted ones which come with a M5 preset), ... simply 'my look' ...-
done in less than an hour (lots of trial 'n error, first time user...)

What music comes with fcpX as a extra?

I only got the final cut pro soundeffect (with the progamm of course)
A saw a vid.cam.demo and the credits for audio where: song was "snow motion "bundeld with fcpX".
So, there must be more than I have now, am I right and yes, where can i find that files?
Thanks.

Snow Motion is one of the Apple Loops for Soundtrack Pro and to the best of my knowledge it is not available in FCP X.
It came bundled in Final Cut Studio of which FCPs 5, 6 and 7 were part.
I don't think any music comes with FCP X, just sound effects.
However, if you go to HD>Library>Audio>Apple Loops>Apple you will find a number of folders of loops.
If you look in the iLife Sound Effects folder you will find another folder called Jingles which has some 200 pieces of music.
Message was edited by: Ian R. Brown

Audio problem with a Motion transition in FCPX

I've looked everywhere for a solution to this and nobody seems to be having the same problem. So I decided I'd try here.
Basically I've been using Final Cut Pro X for a while now and just this week I decided to buy and try out Motion 5 to go with FCPX.
I've spent the past 3 days making a transition in Motion for use in my FCPX projects and I finally have it the way I like it. It's 3 seconds long and also has 2 audio files in the timeline. The transition plays perfectly with the audio when I do a RAM preview in Motion or when I export it from Motion.
However, it's saved as a transition, which I need to use in FCPX. It shows up in Final Cut and i can use it in my timeline and the video renders fine, but there's no audio. Whatever I do I just cant get the audio to play in Final Cut. I've updated to the newet versions of FCPX and Motion just in case.
Whether I play the timeline or export my FCPX project it makes no difference, the audio just does not play in Final Cut. I'd love if anyone had an idea why this is happening?
I've tried changing the file type of the auido used in Motion from mp3 to aiff because it's more native to OS X, I've also tried publishing the audio perimeters in Motion but no such luck with either.
I'm still fairly new to FCPX and in particular, Motion 5 so there could definitely be something I'm missing in terms of settings. Maybe I'm wrong but are or can transitions even have audio in them?
If anyone has any idea why my transition audio doesn't play in Final Cut, I'd appreciate any help.
(I'm on OS X 10.8.1 on a 2009 24" iMac)

I havent checked this, but I suspect that the audio does not make it across to fcpx. You might need to create the audio bits in fcpx, maybe export as a mix and re-import into a Keep Assets event. I keep all sorts of goodies in one of these. The communication between Motion and FCPX is a pain in many workflows still, and I wiat for the day when Motion is rolled into FCPX to make life easier ( so long as they dont take any features away of course)
adam

My new iMac with FCPX crashes when rendering complex templates and crashes when exporting with Motion 5

My new iMac with FCPX crashes when rendering complex templates and crashes when exporting with Motion 5
Using Motion 5.0.6 and Final Cut Pro X 10.0.7 on New iMac (December 2012) Mountain Lion,
Intel Core i7 quad-core a 3,4GHz, Turbo Boost fino a 3,9GHz
32GB di SDRAM DDR3 a 1600MHz - 4 x 8GB
Fusion Drive da 3TB
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2GB GDDR5
During the rendering of complex FCPX mac crashes and I have to force a restart.
I also happens when I try to export movies with Motion 5.
Does anyone have the same problem with my new iMac?

Problems such as yours are sometimes caused by files that should belong to you but are locked or have wrong permissions. This procedure will check for such files. It makes no changes and therefore will not, in itself, solve your problem.
First, empty the Trash.
Launch the Terminal application in any of the following ways:
☞ Enter the first few letters of its name into a Spotlight search. Select it in the results (it should be at the top.)
☞ In the Finder, select Go ▹ Utilities from the menu bar, or press the key combination shift-command-U. The application is in the folder that opens.
☞ Open LaunchPad. Click Utilities, then Terminal in the icon grid.
Triple-click anywhere in the line below to select it, then drag or copy it — do not type — into the Terminal window:
find . $TMPDIR.. $ -flags +sappnd,schg,uappnd,uchg -o ! -user $UID -o ! -perm -600 -o -acl $ 2> /dev/null | wc -l
Press return. The command may take a noticeable amount of time to run. Wait for a new line ending in a dollar sign (“$”) to appear.
The output of this command, on a line directly below what you entered, will be a number such as "35." Please post it in a reply.

Does motion 5 and compressor come with FCPX purchase?

Does motion 5 and compressor come with FCPX purchase? Is there somewhere that you can buy this in a package if so?

NNo. there seoarate applications. You want them? Buy them.

Motion project to FCPX

I created a logo animation to go at the end of a commercial. how do i import this into FCPX?

Since your project is very specific to a set logo, exporting as ProRes 4444 is perfectly adequate. If you were designing a logo-style watermark or similar design, then you would want to be able to edit the text elements, and perhaps be able to change the color of the background elements from inside FCPX. In that case, you would "Publish Template" from the File menu. In the popup Publish dialog, you would check the bottom checkbox: "Publish as Final Cut Generator" -- provide a category (or select one from the Category dropdown) and give your Template a name. In FCPX, you would find it (immediately available, BTW) in the Generators > Category you saved it to.
If your final destination for Motion projects is FCPX, when you start a new project, you would select one of the available projects from the opening dialog. Normally, a "logo style" design project would be a Title project (but it doesn't necessarily have to be as a Generator is also a viable choice.) If you start your project as one of these specific types (Effect, Generator, Title or Transition) the simple act of Saving the project automatically publishes the project for use in FCPX (you have no other choice to save it anywhere else! You still need to provide the Category and a Name in the Save dialog [duh].)
If you decide to create templates that are editable in FCPX, those parameters you would want access to in FCPX (for example things like shape colors, opacities, etc.) all you need to do is right click on the specific parameter in Motion and select Publish (if it is allowed!) from the popup menu. You can set default values for your published parameters by selecting the Project layer at the top of the layers list and then the Project pane from the inspector followed by the Publishing tab. (You can find out how to deal with "Snapshots" later on.)
It's easy to create your own custom templates with Motion.
Have fun!

Motion 5 without FCPX

Is anyone using Motion 5 with Final Cut Pro, but without Final Cut X installed at all?
Given the warnings and complicated workarounds that Apple is issuing --
Installation Best Practice guide from Apple
-- it sounds as though each launch of Motion 5 will disable Final Cut Pro until
Motion 4 is launched again. Is that your experience?

This workflow works for me without any problems. I wanted an updated copy of Motion but couldn't afford a copy of FCP for the time being.
I record the audio track, import it into Motion, and build the animation. Then I export the whole thing to a .MOV file and import it into Final Cut Pro 7.
There is an odd problem where FCP will occasionally fail to recognize a file when I try to reload it after changing it on disk. It will be shown as offline when the new file is saved, and it stays offline even after the new file is good. Reimporting it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. Shutting down and restarting FCP, and then re-importing the file has solved the problem in every case so far.
Hope that helps.
D

Exporting a section of the timeline with FCPx

Does anyone have a clue how to just export a section of timeline out with FCPx. In FCP7 you would just set your In/Out points on the timeline, go to File->Export and walla!, a segmented section of your masterpiece that you could send to a VFX or Audio Dept, etc. for tweaking. I know most, including myself, would like to give a snarky answer (such as Revert back) but I'm trying to explore FCPx to the best of my ability and am looking for a straight up answer

As far as I am aware, Apple laid off the old FCP team and hired a new team, under the lead of the iMovie designer. The same team that changed iMovie and made it "better".
Please read this article from Apple Insider from 2010.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/18/apple_scaling_final_cut_studio_app s_to_fit_prosumers/
I love Final Cut Pro, but leaving out simple things is not good at all. Even in QuickTime I can export a selection of a clip in a few simple steps? There needs to be tighter integration of FCP with Motion. Now that Shake is dead.

I Was About to Set Up Two New Edit Stations with FCPX... What Do I Do Now?

I've cut on all kinds of nonliner software, but I've always prefered Final Cut Pro. I like using Motion aswell. I’m about to purchase two new editing systems for my TV station and I was hoping to set these work stations up with FCPX. Right now the station uses older Avids. Unless Apple addresses these issues, I can’t go with FCPX. I’ve used Final Cut Pro for ten years. I’m a huge fan and I hope Apple doesn’t ignore these problems. I can’t believe this is the end of the line for Final Cut Pro. Now I'm thinking of using CS5 Adobe Production Premium instead of FCPX.
I cannot believe Apple really understands the ramification of what they’ve done and how it affects thousands of professional editors, production facilities, television and network creative services departments world-wide. We have supported them and have helped them make Final Cut Pro what it is today. I can’t believe they’ve abandoned us in order to simplify Final Cut, dumb it down for the pedestrian consumer.
It’s like Coke scraping their original recipe and starting over with “New Coke.” This is a massive marketing and product blunder. Hopefully Apple will come out with Final Cut Classic, for those who need to use Final Cut professionally.

With this release, Apple has made it very clear that there isn't enough money in the professional NLE market. I suggest people look at the other alternatives out there. I can relate to your anger, but the fact remains that the divorce is most likely final and its time to make money using another product.

Hello! I try for the first time to edit a multicam with FCPX and wether I switch angle with 1-2 or with the razor, nothing happens on the timeline. What can I solve this problem please?

Hello! I try for the first time to edit a multicam with FCPX . I did all the sync, i can easily switch images. But nothing happens in the timeline when I use the razor for editing.
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Russ H wrote:
This KB doc explains it better.
… the funny thing, this article and all other profound advice been found on the net, miss to mention a very basic advice:
first of all, a MC is clip as any other !
… sounds perhaps a bit … too basic , but - as an amateur like me, and using MCs almost any day - you should keep that in mind for your workflow.
After creating a MC, which can be done in seconds!, you get a single clip in the Events browser - and you should treat it as any other clip:
select parts of it, add it to your timeline, you can add it to secondary (for pic-in-pic for example), you can split it, shift it, nudge it, ...
aaaand you can select a diff. perspective = camera (or mic…), without losing synch.
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How to open my project library progress in timeline with FCPX 10.1?

So I've been having a huge problem with FCPX 10.1 and I cannot, for the life of me, figure out even what I'm supposed to ask--much less what the answer is.
So here's the basic problem. I don't know how to open my complete progress of a project library in the timeline. I have 5 projects, and two of them, for some reason unbeknownst to me, I just double click to bring up in the timeline. The other three, however, won't. Let me clarify more. One of the projects is not even showing up in the new 'Projects' sub-menu when selecting my library. The other two are showing up in the 'Projects' sub-menu, but aren't showing as having any content. Their time shows as 0:00. Now for one of the projects I mentioned before (the one that isn't even showing up in the 'Projects' sub-menu,) I know that its editing was saved because I worked on it several different times (having closed and opened FCPx in between) However when I was working on that video, I never removed it from my timeline. So whenever I opened FCPx, my progress it would just automatically pop up in the timeline.
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I worked on a specific project 3 weeks ago and I can't find the progress for it anywhere. I don't want to open specific clips in the timeline. During that project session, I had put all of my clips in the timeline and was editing them in specific ways that required them all being on the timeline so I could get a very specific and seamless effect. How do I get all of that progress into the timeline?

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Single step workflow with multiple approvers (without using a group)

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is it possible to have a single step workflow with multiple approvers without using a group? This is for a contract document.
i want to add a number of users based on particular logic. The approvers are random and do not belong to any particular group.
DO let me know if it is possible or if any of you have done that.
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Can i partition my HD now for fcpx since i didn't do it when i downloaded it. my performance with fcpx is terrible terrible performance

When i downloaded FCPX i was told I really didn't need to partition my hard drive. But my performance with fcpx is terrible from rendering constantly to waiting for a minute after you click for it to do it. I turn off the rendring, I transcoded the media to pro res went to file and hit transcode. but still i mean it crashes, buggy, suggy and it takes hours to do anything. I have my media on a external drive but i did screw up and put some media on internal drive. iMac OSX 10.7.2 3.06 GHZ Core 2 Duo. EX HD LaCie on a 800 firewire.

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And, especially a too small int. HDD partition for the system will brake any app 'til a full halt.
plus, 10.7. has some issues with managing Timemachine backups when it comes to large files as video - again, if the intHDD/OS drive is too small, it gets iffy.
at last >30GBs free, only codecs and material as intended by Cupertino = no probs here (on a much smaller/older set-up).

My positive experience with FCPX.

In an effort to present the other side of the coin on this forum, that FCPX can work very well, here is my story.
For the last 8 years I've been using Final Cut Express on an older Macs. It worked fine for my various projects, although the incessant rendering would be very frustrating. (I never did find the proper format to prevent it.) When Final Cut Pro X was released, I read about it's shortcomings, so I passed.
Five months ago I was planning to video my nephew's wedding so I looked closely at Final Cut Pro X, but was very daunted by how completely different it was from FCE. A few days later I was in my local Apple Store asking their video expert about the rendering in FCE, basically he said to get FCPX, which not only handles many formats, but renders in the background when needed, and has a lot more features than FCE.
I went home and looked at my first FCPX tutorial online and thought, OK, it looks like I'm going to have to start from scratch to learn it. My MacBook Pro was going on 6 years old, so I also decided to buy a new one that could handle FCPX. I had to stay on Snow Leopard OS 10.6.8 for one vitally important application that was not being upgraded, so I went to the Apple refurb site and found a 17" 2.2Ghz i7 late 2011 that fit the bill (I wanted the ExpressCard slot), marked down from $2600 to $1900, I grabbed it.
I immediately installed 16 GB of RAM, and replaced the internal drive with the one in my old laptop, a fairly new Seagate XT Hybrid 750 GB/16 GB HD/SSD. I then bought FCPX. (After completing one small project, I actually replaced the 750 hybrid with an OWC 960 GB dual platter RAID 0 internal SSD, wow, is it fast. I work my current project there, then when complete, move it to the 750 hybrid or a 3 TB I put in a Seagate GoFlex Thunderbolt adapter .)
I have to admit that it took me a couple of days to let go of FCE and get used to the FCPX Events/Projects system, but I got through it. I did look at tutorials, but actually learned far more by exploring the menus, panes and icons, experimenting, trial and error, and reading this forum.
I finished the wedding video (32 minutes long) in about a week (learning as I went). It was shot with one camera, which forced me to do some creative editing by lifting, moving and zooming various pieces (and cutting around a very oblivious professional photographer), which gave me a multi-camera look. I added a title, transitions, adjusted dark scenes, leveled the audio in many places, diminished airplane and wind noise, and dropped in a sound effect of my nephew breaking a glass under foot (which did not actually break at the time).
I shared the wedding video to my AppleTV2, and to DVD (3 copies), and to YouTube, without any overt problems. Yes, each operation had it's learning curve, but I accomplished them all in a rather short time. The first time I uploaded it to YouTube, it took about 8 hours for a 1080 2.8 GB version, but when it was done, the YouTube site had a message that it was too long, I had to register to have longer than 15 minute videos. I then used FCPX to upload a 720 version (the actual original format), 985MB, which took about 2 hours (even with a 1 mbps upload internet service). It looks great via the YouTube app on my AppleTV2.
The only overt problem I have is a crash once in awhile either at launch or very shortly after, but I delete the prefs and continue on. I also installed some free plugins that seemed to cause some crashing, so I removed them, but the next time I opened the wedding project, I had all kinds of warning triangles. Turned out I used some of the plugins and FCPX warned that they were missing. It took a few minutes of searching this forum to learn how to get rid of those effects, I didn't even have to ask anyone.
I just bought two new 1080p AVCHD video cameras and really look forward to using them for a festival on Sunday where I'm playing with a ukulele orchestra (which I also took up a few months ago). I'm going to tackle the multicam operations with that project (something I did in my own way with FCE, even though it did not actually have that function).
My view of many of the posts on this forum is that either they have a system/hardware problem outside of FCPX, or they do not make enough of an effort to learn and understand FCPX. It takes diligence and patience, which in my experience, really does pay off. I used to dread doing tweaks in FCE, now I look forward to it in FCPX.

I'd just like to add my positive-ness with FCPX! I've used it from 10.0.1 and, since 0.3, I have loved it and raved about it when anyone asks. The multicam feature is amazing! I used to use Vegas MS for some casual editing and the biggest annoyance with FCPX at the start was the magnetic timeline but after a day or so I got used to it and now can't imagine using anything else. I've had the odd crash but they are few and far between. I won't say I haven't sworn at it a few times but the fault is usually mine in the end!
I use an upgraded 2012 MacBook Pro with 16GB memory and a Seagate Hybrid XT disc for my more "beefy" projects but I've found my 2011 MacBook Air works great with smaller projects (4GB RAM and 256GB SSD). Interesting article on fcp.co about MBAs and FCPX if anyone is considering purchasing one.
I tend to learn things as I go along; I know what I want to achieve and then work out how to get there, often with the help of the nice people in this forum . With FCPX, once you understand the basic structure it's not too difficult.
It seems one of the common themes is problems with importing AVCHD / MTS files. Since 0.3 I've never had any problems as long as I follow my basic rules -
Format the SD card in the camera just before use (use "low level" if offered for the first format) and shoot your footage. Use the same quality format on that card throughout the shoot.
Remove the card and plug it into the computer's card reader. Do NOT interfere with or modify the files in Finder in any way!
In FCPX create an archive from the card on a separate external disc. (If the card doesn't show up then try another card reader - there can be differences in USB chipset implementations).
Import to the events from the archive. Once done, repeat from 1.
Phil

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