MOTU 828 mk II & I/O mixing 5.1 surround & stereo

Hello all
Is anyone aware of a link for implimentation of MOTU 828 mkII I/O's using Logic 9? The 828 mkII manual doesn't make mention of how to assign Logic Inputs or Outputs in relation to the MOTU channels.
I'm setting up a MOTU 828 Firewire Mk II after my Mk I just went down. The Mk I input & output channels seemed so obvious to set up in Logic I/O prefs ..... 5.1 surround came out of Logic Audio Channel Outputs 1-6 then via the Firewire went into the 828 mk 1 and out of the corresponding channels .... and ordinary stereo came out of Logic via channels 1 & 2 into 1 & 2 of the 828 mk 1..... monitoring and bouncing was simple and obvious.
However I can't sort out a basic output routing in the 828 mk 2 for what should be straight forward?
PLEASE CAN ANYONE POINT ME TO AN AUDIO ROUTING SET UP FOR USING LOGIC WITH SURROUND & STANDARD STEREO WITH A MOTU 828 mk 2 ...... IT SEEMS LIKE KINDERGARTEN STUFF BUT I CAN'T FIND ANY INFO ANYWHERE?
I've got a happy surround mix coming out of all six Logic channels and playing back out of the 828 analogue outs with Logic Prefs I/O Assignments like this:
Basic - 5.1 (ITU 775)
Left OUTPUT 3
Right OUTPUT 4
L surround OUTPUT 5
R surround OUTPUT 6
Centre OUTPUT 7
LFE OUTPUT 8
However I haven't tried a 5.1 bounce yet as am not sure what on earth ends up in the resulting 6 audio files (SO confusing !)
My Mac OSX stereo sound is playing out of the 828 by choosing OSX System Prefs Sound - "MOTU 828" ... but the idea of choosing Outputs 3 & 4 to bounce a standard stereo audio file out of Logic seems totally nuts.
However ... I don't seem to be able to bounce a standard stereo mix ? (even though I can hear it playback in the L & R monitors of my 5.1 studio monitors ...... the resulting sound fle has no sound in it (either WAV or MP3?)
Please can any one help !!!?? I got my knickers in a major twist?
Is there a Logic Channel Re- Routing guide somewhere for using both 5.1 & stereo with a 828mk2 without the necessaity to change standard stereo Logic outputs to 3 & 4?
Best wishes
Richard

GUYS - THIS IS THE SILLY SIMPLE FIX ......
Keep everything routed in Logic outputs as normal:-
L - 1
R - 2
Ls -3
Rs -4
C - 5
LFE - 6
So bounce everything as normal including standard stereo outs.
Make the MOTU audio setup:-
DEFAULT STEREO OUTPUT - MAIN OUT 1-2
Take the 828 mk2 outputs to your surround monitors;
L comes out of MAIN OUT 1
R comes out of MAIN OUT 2
Ls comes out of ANALOGUE OUT 1
Rs comes out of ANALOGUE OUT 2
C comes out of ANALOGUE OUT 3
LFE comes out of ANALOGUE OUT 4
DONE ....... you can carry on as if nothing happened!
Thanks for looking at this ..... sorry for being a nincompoop !
Best
Richard
PS NOT GOOD MOTU - this info isn't anywhere to be found - just my trial and error

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