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[Athlon64] Over Clocking?

whats the max you can overclock theres mobos i get 220 x 10 afterthat it freezes and gets choppy is there somethin i can do to make it faster? overcloc,upgrade just tell me i gots a tiger direct account so i can do more upgrading

Disclaimer:
I do not know everything. I do not consider myself knowledgable. I believe the knowledgable ones are those that design the hardware and us enduser's are mere peons. This guide is a combination of personal knowledge coupled mainly with knowledge from those smarter than myself. My intent here is not to plagerize. I intend to relay knowledge in the fashion which I obtained it -- free of cost. If I'm plagerizing, I apoligze, my intentions were not to cheat someone out of their findings. If you find anything in this sticky that looks like one of your findings then please notify me and I will be happy to give you credit where credit's due.
Now that we've covered all the bases, what should you keep in mind:
CPU manufacturers do not make different processors -- they make one and test it at the highest speed possible. This may be the case with each different core/design but I'm can't say for sure (I don't know all the details, I do not work for a CPU manufacturer, I only know what I'm told). What I do know, however, is that they test the chip at the maximum supported frequency (for a barton processor that would be 2.33ghz (166x14).). If that frequency yields an unacceptable rate of failure then they the slow the processor down to the next fastest frequency (in the case of a barton that would be 2.2ghz (200x12).). After slowing the processor down, they run the tests again and if it passes with an acceptable rate of failure then they stamp it at that speed. However, if it fails, they slow the processor down again to it's next slowest frequency (2.15ghz (166x13).). and then they repeat the process until they achieve an acceptable rate of failure/success. Therefore, if you think about it, your processor wasn’t designed to run any faster than it was rated for, otherwise it would have been stamped at a higher clock frequency (unless of course your processor has the highest possible stamping for that line of products). Why should you keep this in mind? If you hit a wall when overclocking and your CPU is the culprit, it may just be the case that the CPU cannot stabilize itself at a higher frequency (meaning your current highest stable frequency is the max stable frequency).
As you have noticed, VCore and cooling play a crucial role in acheiving the highest stable overclock. You always want the least amount of VCore running through the chip becuase this limits electromigration (which decreases chip life) and it will keep the processor cooler (which increases chip life). When overclocking, it may seem easiest to raise the VCore to some arbitrarily high number that you know will work regardless of which settings you pick but I wouldn’t recommend doing it like that. I recommend starting out at the stock VCore and bumping it up one step at a time, incramenting the VCore from the first lowest VCore, to the second lowest VCore, to the third lowest VCore, etc, etc, etc, until you can stabilize your computer with whatever VCore you've reached. Cooling plays a crucial role because sometimes you cannot use a designated VCore with an insufficent means of cooling. If you can't run prime95 without errors at one VCore but you can at another (but the problem is the computer shuts off after a couple of seconds into the run) then chances are the temperatures rose too high and the thermal throttling diode kicked in and shut down the computer. An aftermarket means of cooling whether it be a good HSF or a good watercooling kit will help you keep your load temps down, jumps in temperature will be less severe and less frequent, and idle temps will drop as well. Therefore when overclocking, you should consider a motherboard that has a wide range of VCore options available and a means of cooling that can take that much VCore (for those of you who are wondering it's possible to calculate whether or not your selected means of cooling will be sufficent enough to dissapate the estimated amount of power your processor requires).
What else do you need to know:
When it comes to overclocking there are a lot of factors to consider. First and foremost is no two computer components are alike; just because one person with the same components as you got to a certain point does not mean you will get there. Next, when overclocking, more often than not you need to raise the Vcore when you raise your CPU frequency higher than stock. This was not the case for my winchester as I could hit 2500mhz (stock being 2000mhz) and I could do this without a bump in VCore (and it was superpi, 3dmark, pcmark, prime95 stable). Lets just say I couldn't hit 2500mhz, me personally, I would be happy with 2200mhz because I didn't have to raise my VCore (which in turn theoretically decreases chip life -- this is also coming from a guy who’s running his computer at 2750mhz with an unspoken VCore so I’ll let you weigh that last statement yourself).
What process do I follow when overclocking:
When overclocking there is a process you must follow, this process will help you determine the limiting factor in your overclock. Note that I do not condone raising voltages higher than stock but you can do it at your own discression but we are all xtreme here and so there's no doubt in my mind that most of you will take this with a grain of salt. One thing to consider when buying parts is which memory module/s you're going to use. When I bought my computer, I had overclocking in mind and I bought PC4400 memory. Why would you want to buy memory that supports a higher FSB? PC4400 stands for the bandwidth of the memory (therefore PC4400 memory transmits data at 4.4GB/s as opposed to PC3200 which transmits data at 3.2GB/s -- you can see why someone would want higher frequency memory). FYI: If you're worried you may not be able to run your memory at it's rated speed if it's not PC3200, you can always keep it's rated timings (which are usually slower than PC3200) and lower the frequency to 200mhz (memory always runs at lower frequencies). If you've already purchased your components and you did not consider higher memory bandwidth at the time then you're forced to use your PC3200, PC2700, or PC2100 memory (most computers now a days require PC3200 memory) then you're going to use dividers. Dividers can also be used when your processor can go further but your memory can't (ie. you have a 3200+ A64 (locked max multiplier of 10) and you want to acheive more than 2500mhz with your 250mhz ram, you would put your memory on a divider and you would raise the FSB higher than 250 keeping your 10 mulitplier. This would keep your ram within specifications (it may not run at 250 but it will run higher than 200 (which is better than nothing) and your processor would go higher than 2500mhz).
Now that you've picked the right memory, what do you do:
First you raise your FSB to match your memory's stock FSB (pc3200 @ 200mhz FSB or pc4000 @ 250mhz FSB). Simultaneously, you lower your mutliplier so that your CPU frequency is now lower than stock (stock is 2000mhz so your new frequency is ~1600mhz (200x8 or 250x6). This omits your processor from the equation's list of potential problems because the CPU was designed to run at a higher frequency with your current (stock) VCore. Now that you've successfully set your FSB and lowered your multiplier so that your current CPU frequency <= stock CPU frequency, you would run memtest86+ for two entire days to ensure your memory is no longer going to be considered a limiting factor in your overclock. Memtest will help ensure that your memory is not the reason for your overclocking problems.
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originally written by eva2000
memtest ain't 100% but you can use memtest to guage the max possible FSB/MEM which is the top limit of what you can expect... since i don't think i've ever experienced windows 100% stability and error free at a speed higher than the highest memtest passable speed
therefore
max FSB/MEM speed (100% windows error free/stability) <= max FSB/MEM speed (memtest error free)
My experiences and testing methods
test #1 - 4
are cpu fsb speed and or vcore related (meaning lowering fsb or increasing vcore saw errors in these tests disappear)
test #5
prior to 865/875 boards - memory speed, timings and vdimm related (meaning altering mem speed, timings and/or vdimm saw errors in this test disappear)
test#6
with 865/875 boards bigtoe has said related to cycle time (tras) in cpuz which i sort of confirmed with my current testing
note: prior to 865/875 boards, i've never had memory errors in test #6 only since these new boards have i experienced test #6 errors
test #7
not sure very rarely have i experienced errors
extended test
test #8 is a more intensive version of test #5
most memory related errors pop up at test #5 hence i like looping test #5 for memory testing for 12-24hrs after 1-4hr general standard loop of test #1-7
i like to loop test #3 and/or #4 for cpu related issues
I follow it up with at least goldmem 5.07:
2 quick test loops
+
2-4 full standard loops <-- can take forever trying doing it with 4 x 512mb xms3200c2
to loop a particular test
Note: if you decide to overclock your memory (pc3200 @ 225 FSB) then you will probably need to raise your VDimm and/or retard your memory timings (the ram you buy will determine which of the two you will end up doing). Ultimately you will be the judge as to what's acceptable and what's not. You can and should always record your results and test each of them with benchmarking ultilities so you know that your getting the most performance (in other words, a small gain in FSB with very laxidazical memory timings may yield worse benchmarks than a slightly slower FSB with tight timings). Now that you know this, raise your FSB in incraments of 5 mhz. test as specified and raise again. when you get an error you can back down 5 mhz and live with that, and/or raise VDimm and try again, and/or retard the timings and try again. When error time comes, you will be the judge of this.
Note: I got my DDR333 memory (166mhz) to run successfully at DDR374 (187mhz) with a change in timings of 2-2-2-5 to 2-2-2-11. The processor would not boot with a 200mhz FSB (in order to do so I would have to close a bridge and I was not willing to mod the customer's processor) but had I modded the processor I honestly believe I could have gotten the DDR333 memory to run at DDR400 speed with the right timings.[/SIZE]
Now what:
Now that you've reached a stable FSB that your memory can handle, begin to raise your multiplier. Try and pick a frequency that's <= stock frequency this way you don't need to experiment with Vcore just yet. Once this runs prime95 at priority 10 with inplace FFTs for days with no errors you can raise your multiplier. Raise it one notch at a time, recording your results with benchmarking tools to ensure your getting the most performance with each change that you make. If you run into errors, raise the Vcore and try again. Make sure to monitor the temperatures when using prime95, you don't want to kill your processor with too much heat. You will either find a sucessful outcome or you won't. Successful outcomes are higher CPU frequency that's prime95 stable with or without a bump in VCore. Unsuccessful outcomes are prime95 instability with or without a bump in VCore or prime95 stability with/without a bump in VCore but temperature problems forced you to end the test prematurely.
If you follow these steps you will know why your computer won't overclock anymore -- whether it be ram (timings), ram (FSB), ram (voltage), temperatures, cpu (multiplier), cpu (voltage), etc, etc, etc...
Note: if you want to test just your processor in prime95 and take the memory out of the equation (or take as much of the memory out of the equation as possible) then you would run a prime95 tortue test called "Small FTT's".
When I get the time, I will add certain components I have experience with into this sticky and my suggestions as to what parts you should purchase with them and what parts you should stay away from.[/FONT]

HT1343 On my 4 1/2 year old Macbook I could select multiple files by highlighting a file and then moving cursor over a file lower in the list, and pressing shift-control-click. I can't do that in now with Mac Pro. What am I doing wrong?

ghlighting a file and then moving cursor over a file lower in the list, and pressing shift-control-click. I can't do that in now with Mac Pro. What am I doing wrong?

Holding down the control key will invoke "right-click."
Depending on the View, holding down Shift will with either toggle the selection (Icon View), or it will make a continuous selection from the previous selection (List View or Column View).
The only way to make a continuous selection in Icon View is to drag out a selection marquee around or through the icons.
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Why is the mainscreen/stage moving all over?

Hello All, it's me Mr. Whinie again with yet anouther "problem"
CP6 Mac when I duplicate an item or save, the "stage" moves to a different part of the open window, many times leaving only a small bit visible and forcing me to reposition it to see the whole screen. WHY?
Now for those of you that have messaged me because I'm "whining too much", I have used Adobe products since 1990 and have used numerous versions of all of their programs including Director and Flash and have been a giving comminuty member helping others for pretty much all of those years.
If you look at my posts the things that I am "whining" about are simple things that should have, IMHO, NEVER made it to a release state. The Groups, constantly expanding in the timeline, the multiple levels of "backgrounds", the seemingly extreme lack of Javascript documentation or even debugging, the inconsistant interface with other Adobe products and now the stage moving all over the place are simply things that should have been addressed.
I have no problem paying for software, but with the new advent of "cheap" software available, when a company like Adobe charges a premium for software, then IMHO it should be EXTREMELY well tested and documented. They should also allow the purchase of a pervious version for at least 6mo. until all the kinks of the new release are worked out by those that want to fight with the newest release.
Any insight on how I can stop the above would be welcome.
Thanx,
Greg

Lieve, do you also use an external mouse? If so, you may want to consider trying to configure the laptop so that the touchpad is disabled when the mouse is present. Many laptops will allow you to do that.
Cheers... Rick
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How to over clock a ms-7231

how do i over clock a ms-7231
specs
http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=134&cat2_no=&cat3_no=&prod_no=1117

Quote from: PersonalGroups on 28-September-12, 04:28:00
Hello, I want to overclock my PC for better Graphics while playing games ..
Firstly I need to know is it safe to overclock a PC ?
what are the things involved in it ??
Kindly provide me a guide how to over clock my board
It is 'extremely' important to follow xmad's request for more information about your complete system.
Question #1, yes, it is 'reasonably' safe if guidelines & adherence to voltage and temperature limits are heeded.
Question #2, of primary importance is having hardware that 'is' OC'able to begin with. In addition to the hardware, it is normally just a matter of setting up the correct settings in the UEFI/BIOS. You will need some utilities such as CPU-Z, H/W Monitor, etc. Also, a digital multimeter is highly recommended.
Question #3, there are some 'basics', but every system is different and reacts different to tweaks and adjustments. When we know your components, it will make it easier to make suggestions and recommendations.

Making FCP stop moving everything over once I put it in the timeline

Is there anyway to make final cut stop moving EVERYTHING over in my sequence if I insert another audio file or video file?

You might be doing in insert edit when you want to do an overwrite edit.
Try dragging an audio or video clip from the browser to an edit point
on a track with a bunch of stuff on it. Before letting go of the mouse button, notice:
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U400 has over clocked itself to max turbo boost at all times.

Hi all,
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Recently I noticed the unit getting quite hot with very slow charge times/high power drain on battery and noticed the Intel turbo boost monitor was always at the maximum of 3.0 GHz and would never drop. I lowered the max processor state to 99% in power management, now it stays at 2.4GHz with no turbo boost or energy saver modes. I have also returned the system to initial state and the problem still persists.
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Anyone?

HT1296 I just bought a new MacBook Pro and moved data over from my old MacBook Pro. Everything seemed fine at first but Outlook 2011 for Mac will not run. It just flashes the Outlook logo briefly and then closes. Help!

Everything seemed to work fine after moving everything over from my old MacBook Pro at first but I cannot run Outlook 2011 for Mac. The logo displays briefly and then the app closes. It never really even gets anything loaded other than the little logo.

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I am having trouble moving documents over my network. I can drag documents to my computer, but I can't put documents from my computer on others on the network. What am I missing here?

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How damaging is it to over clock a device

How damaging is it to over clock a device? I know over clocking is damaging. But is it the extra heat produced, or trying to use the capacitors to fast or something technical. If it is only heat, I can keep my MSI VGA card cool enough to over clock it.
Does a chip start to become damaged or work less effeciantly if you raise the temperature. The card may work better at 5 degrees more temperatur, but does this damage it, or is there a certian temperature range. (I'm guessing temperature damages it only)
I also thought most comanies disapproved of over clocking. Why does MSI seem to encourage it? Is this a bad or good thing?

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Originally posted by Into Eternity
Wonkanoby,
I have to dissagree with you on not overclocking video cards. I've seen 30-40% performance gains on video cards with some added cooling, or bios flashing tricks with no damage to the card. Mess with soldering resistors to VR's then your on your own.
Why not have the best video card for an extra 6months until the next best one comes out. Or run new games on an older video card. That's what makes it worth the effort and the small amount of risk.
If the overclocking/mod is done by someone who has a clue, and the reason to do so is to provide functionality to play games that require a higher frame rate or performance then one could say it may be justified. If one is not experienced in these areas and/or saved forever to obtain a card, overclocking may not be in the best interest to the user. Part of the problem is often many users lack the judgement or are driven to beat the latest benchmarks and end up with a keychain in the process. I can see overclocking towards the end of the lifespan of a high end card, but with todays latest and greatest..I don't see the point.
Heat is the determining factor and the killer to all components, not just higher voltage wich I believe increases heat. Heat causes faster deterioration and shortens the life of any component on a molecular level.

I keep getting "error occurred while attempting to import file *******. The disc your are attempting to use is full." I have an external hard drive that I moved files over to, but apparently they're also still on my hard drive? HELP!

I keep getting "error occurred while attempting to import file *******. The disc your are attempting to use is full." I have an external hard drive that I moved files over to, but apparently they're also still on my hard drive? HELP!

So you have backed up the content of the computer's hard drive, too?
That usually is a great idea since it is possible to lose use of the system
if parts of it have accidentally been removed or get over-written, or the
main system files get corrupted, when the hard disk drive gets too full.
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after you made copies on an external hard drive or other device, then
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verses the used, in GB? If the hard drive has less than 15 to 20%
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and run Repair Disk from its version of Disk Utility, to be sure it's OK.
I'm guessing that by now you know enough about the vintage system
in the older hardware to figure it out, so I won't write about it now.
In any event... hopefully you can simply trash the files, but check them
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My ipad 2 is not turning on, just the apple logo with a moving circle over it and no starting up?

my ipad 2 is not turning on, just the apple logo with a moving circle over it and no starting up?

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Hi, Is it possible to have where the Mouse cursor is on the page moving mask over another image. Imagine a black screen with a star cut out of the middle(where the cursor is) and u can see the image behind.
Any examples on how to do this?
Can it be done in html instead?

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My cursor is moving all over the place like someone else is controlling it, it has gone thru my mail and deleted everything. Sometimes it works ok, what should I look at?

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Kacia
Have you tried adjusting the tracking and scrolling speeds for the trackpad? You can find that in Sys Preferences.
You may also want to reset the PRAM. To do this shutdown the machine. Hold down with your left hand the option and command keys, power the machine on and immediately with your right hand hold down the P key with your little finger and the R key with your index finger, so you have the option+command keys and the P and R keys held down, wait until you hear the Apple chime twice then release all keys, let the machine boot up. Try this and see if it helps. If you contiune to have this issue I would suggest taking it to the Apple store ASAP and have a Genius remedy this issue. Hope this may help.
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Any posablity of over clocking on a k9agm2

Hey any way of over clock my amd 4800+ on the msi k9agm2 at all i know i picked a low end board cos i dont have the cash and it dosent have any voltage settings and what not in the bios so any ideas or work arounds would greatly be appreciated

Quote from: Teflon on 14-October-07, 23:36:39
thanks boss killer well the vcore i vould cvhnge nother wy but multiplyers and stuff i wouldent no how to go abotyuu isn memset ram timing?? sorry i was sure memset was ram tiing no proceesor stuff
yes its for mem. timings, not for CPU... try with clockgen

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