MOVED: MSI 975X PLATINUM PUE BIOS 7.5

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THE RETAILER SAYS THAT PLZ DONT FLASH BACK THE BIOS AS IT WILL COMPLETELY VOID WARRANTY
I am not mistaken, damages to your mainboard due to overclocking are not really covered by warranty either.  If you are really determined to overclock your system, you shouldn't really give much about which BIOS you are using.  Why the sudden panic attack?

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  • MSI 975X PLATINUM PUE BIOS 7.5

    HI  ALL I HAVE JUST CLAIMED MY BOARD IN WARRTANY THE BOARDI HAVE GOT NOW IS WITH BIOS 7.5 PLZ NOW IT DOES NT SEEM A GOOD OVERCLOCKER AS WITH BIOS 7.4 PLZ TELL ME ANYBODY USING THSI .... THE RETAILER SAYS THAT PLZ DONT FLASH BACK THE BIOS AS IT WILL COMPLETELY VOID WARRANTY ALSOI MASI CONTACT CENTRE SAYS THAR NEVER UPDATE TO A PREVIOUS VERSION  HELP ME OUT GUYS  WHAT ARE UR RESULTS OF OVERCLOCKING ON A BIOS 7.5 IT IS GOOD BIOS AS IT HAS ADDED FEATURES TO BIOS BUT OVERCLOCKING ACAPABILITY HAS BENN UP A BIT THNXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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    THE RETAILER SAYS THAT PLZ DONT FLASH BACK THE BIOS AS IT WILL COMPLETELY VOID WARRANTY
    I am not mistaken, damages to your mainboard due to overclocking are not really covered by warranty either.  If you are really determined to overclock your system, you shouldn't really give much about which BIOS you are using.  Why the sudden panic attack?

  • MSI 975X Platinum PUE RAM Compability

    I'm sorry if this has already been posted, but I couldn't seem to find anything.
    Right now I'm using a matched pair (2x1 GB) of Kingston Value RAM PC5300, and they pretty good for the price.
    But these RAM, (and no, they're not ment for OCing, I know ) don't let me OC one single Mhz above FSB 333, so I would like to buy some faster RAM. But unfortunately I don't have a lot of money to spend.
    I've found a matched pair (2x1 GB) of Corsair XMS 2 PC6400 RAM, that are quite cheap.  Are the XMS 2 RAM compatible with my MSI i975X Platinum Power Up Edition mother board, or should I look elsewhere?
    Thanks a lot in advance 

    All G.Skill 6400 ram seems to work a treat in this board. I changed my Geil for 2GB of G.Skill 6400-pk (4.4.4.12). I can now hit 400fsb and no longer have any restart ( warm boot issues). It was also cheap.
    They also do cas 5 sets too which are even cheaper.
    Can't recommend this ram enough with this board.

  • Is msi 975x platinum pue the best board

    i dont know y people r r saying that there r so many issues with this boad i have my consective 7th msi board and didnt have any issur even on this board its better looking than intel own badaxe ....can somebody confirm me y this board has won so many awards if it is not worthy enough   ++++++++++ any news abt the fsb 1333 mhz support
    msi has always been attractive to me bcz of two things price and quality 
    +++++++++ i using my e6300 on 420 mhz dead stable using bios 7.4(official) people say thay cant get even 360 onthis board .lol

    Quote from: papubhai on 03-March-07, 18:02:18
    well no probs how much overclocking u have got ??????????
    I have this much overclocking
    http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=174047

  • Help...MSI 975x Platinum PUE + Dual Core Center + MSI 7900 GTX

    I have an MSI 7900GTX on my MSI975x MB.  I've read the dual core center manual and it states that Dual Core Center can also monitor VGA temps and whatnot as long as it's an MSI Graphics card.  Currently I am unable to monitor VGA stats on Dual Core Center due to the fact that it is greyed out.  Can anyone tell me how to activate this feature?

    To know you GPU temps, you can access it via Display Properties for nVidia cards and for ATi cards, you can view via the ATI Control Panel.

  • Advice for 975X Platinum PUE

    Hi, I am having problems with my setup. I am running memtest to
    test my CPU, mobo and PSU and it does not pass the test.
    Current BIOS settings:
    - Disabled: SpeedStep, C1E, Virtualization, SpreadSpectrum, Auto PCI Clk
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    HW Configuration for MSI 975X Platinum PUE
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    CPU: Core 2 Duo E6600
    VGA: MSI NX7600GT
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    Mem: 2x Corsair TWIN2048-6400C4 (4GB)
    I keep failing tests 6-7 at around the same location at around 3025MB
    (approx)
    Here are other things I have tried:
    Trial 1: Is it my voltages trial
    BIOS settings:
    - Disabled: SpeedStep, C1E, Virtualization, SpreadSpectrum, Auto PCI Clkn
    - Memory settings at 4-4-4-12
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      VCore: 1.4V
      FSB: 266
      Multiplier: Auto
    Result: memtest failed nearly immediately in test 2
    Trial 2: Copy other user's setting trial
    BIOS settings:
    - Disabled: SpeedStep, C1E, Virtualization, SpreadSpectrum, Auto PCI Clk
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      VDIMM: 1.9V
      VCore: default
      FSB: 320
      Multiplier: 1:1.25
    Result: memtest failed nearly immediately in test 2 again
    Trial 3: I just want it to work trial
    BIOS settings:
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      VDIMM: 1.8V
      VCore: default
      FSB: 266
      Multiplier: Auto
    Result: memtest failed on the 7th pass on test 6-7 at around 3025MB
    Trial 4: Too much memory trial
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    do. My current objective right now is to get the system up and running.
    I already gave up on getting my memory to run at DDR800.
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    after browsing the forums, it seems like it was weak and I went and
    bought the best PSU I could find (in terms of Amp rating) and ended
    up with this Thermaltake.
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    and even made sure I hear a "click" to be sure it's seated properly.
    - Should I RMA my memory or my mobo or both? Not sure what is going on
    actually. Should I try to get a replacement?
    - Do I need to plug in anything special to the mobo? Currently I have
      the PSU connected to the mobo:
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      - 8 pin for the CPU
      - 4 pin (molex?-- the one for peripherals) for the PCIe power
    Confused ??? and about to cry  ....Help?

    I love my Scythe Ninja Plus cooler but like I mentioned, its huge, so it may not fit in all cases..
    Matching case and cooler was a decision that I had made long before I had bought any of my components..
    Here is a picture from an old review of the original Scythe Ninja in the same case that I purchased:
    http://www.silentpcreview.com/article251-page5.html
    The only difference is I have a large fan that is mounted on the bottom side of the heatsink that draws air across a passively cooled (fanless) video card, pushes the air through the heatsink and straight out the top of the case...
    For building a quiet computer you should have a look at the site
    http://www.silentpcreview.com
    When you look to buy a cooler, pay attention to the normal air flow in your case and find a cooler that will work with that airflow rather than fight against it...
    As far as temps go...
    My core idle temps (remember that I am using speedstep and C1E) are about 38C to 41C
    Overclocked and fully loaded my core temps are about 54C
    But that is with all my fans, set manually at low speed...
    With that said, you need to be a bit clearer about what temps you are speaking of...
    There are two cpu temps (well actually 3 since there are two core temps)
    There is the temperature of each core and then an actual cpu temp that is a bit cooler than your core temps..
    Without seeing all temps its hard to tell what is going on. Knowing the ambient temp, the case temp, cpu temp and core temps would give a better picture of what is going on..
    Remember that you were pushing and running your pc all day. That alone will raise your system temp and keep your idle temp higher than normal.. So your idle temp right now is not typical since your whole system is warm from running tests all day.. As far as your temperature under load, with a stock cooler 55C is a bit high considering you aren't overclocking but its not a dangerous temperature..
    Comparing all our systems is hard to do, both dimitri and I have, what might be considered top of the line coolers keeping core temps low...
    If you look at dimitri's temps they were raised about 10C degrees from idle to load, your system was about the same.. My temps are a bit different but that is because my cpu and case fans don't speed up and increase cooling when the load increases.
    If you can let us know your other temps it will be easier to figure out whats up with temps..
    As far as that reboot...
    I agree with dimitri, try raising your memory voltage a bit..
    Be safe...

  • 975x platinum PUE + MSI 7950GX2 + BIOS issue

    hi all,
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    I have yet to try on BIOS 7.1, 7.2 and other beta. But I can't tell what's wrong with the newer BIOSes, even I kept all the settings the same. I have yet to get to MSI on this...
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    Quote from: Vaniireq on 26-February-07, 09:17:57
    well ...its not babble but I will try to clear it up a bit...
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    The SATA ports 1-4 are intended for, well.. SATA devices such as hard drives and optical drives. They are controlled by the Intel chipset on your motherboard. You can operate the hard drives individually or in Raid configurations... Some of the drivers for these devices may be integrated into your Operating System, others may have to be installed using the F6 method, and others can be added after your OS is installed...
    One other quick thing, both PATA and SATA drives are IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics) drives, since both have drive controllers built in. If you have trouble sleeping, you can read a bit more about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Technology_Attachment
    @Maesus, Sorry to get off topic, just wanted to help neoplasmic understand a bit more...
    I tried searching on the web and on the forums like guru3d and found no one with the same problem as you.
    The only other person that I could find that has a problem is Zentos on this forum, he can not find a solution either...
    Here is the thread https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=105929.0
    Thanks for the info.

  • 975X Platinum PUE V2.0 Power shuts off after ~45 sec?

    I'm looking for help with a frustrating issue.  This is a new build with the following:
    *MSI 975X Platinum PUE
    *Intel Core2Duo E6600 2.4Ghz 2M 1066FSB Socket 775
    *XFX GeForce 7900 GT Video Card in PCIe
    *Old IDE HD with XP
    *New WD Caviar 250GB SATA
    *Kingston 1024MB PC5400 DDR2 667MHz Memory x 2
    The memory is in the DIMM1 & DIMM2 positions and the system will boot to the BIOS.  Without doing anything, the system shuts down after about 30-45 seconds.  Any suggestions would be very helpful.  I have searched the forums and FAQ and the only thing that it may be is the "Power On after Power Off" under the Power Management Page in the CMOS Setup.  I have not been able to try that yet, as the system doesn't stay on long enough.
    Thanks for any help in advance!

    I've never done that before. I usually still have my original media so that I can reinstall my programs.
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    again. Several things to look into:
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    is, can you use a checkpoint and move it over to a different computer? Probably not but it might be
    worth investigating.
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      - the nasty part is to somehow copy over the registry that refer to the programs that you just moved.
        Good luck on that one.
      - also inspect the system32 directory for dll's that applications sometimes install. Move those as well.
    I do recall, I needed to do something similar to what you are doing and it was a hit or miss depending on
    the program. Some programs just complained it wasn't in the registry and asked if I wanted to put it in.
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  • 975X Platinum PUE Quad Core?

    On MSI's product page for the 975X Platinum PUE it states it supports QuadCore. Is this true? Has bios updates allowed for this to be possible? I truely hope so , that way I have more upgradability with the board.

    NrthnStar5,
    the board does support quad core. But you will need newer BIOS to correctly recognize the CPU.

  • Problem with MSI 975x Platinum based new build

    I am having what looks like a familiar issue with setting up a new build PC. Spec is as follows:
    MSI 975x Platinum edition MOBO
    Intel Core Duo 2 e6600 CPU
    Western Digital Raptor 150GB S150 16mb 10000rpm SATA drive
    Corsair Memory TWIN2X2048-6400 2x1GB 240-Pin DIMM XMS2-6400 CL5
    SONY DVD-RW
    The problem comes when trying to install Windows XP on the single SATA drive (I don't want a RAID array - mainly as I only have 1 hard drive!).
    I press F6 as instructed to install the SATA drive - I have created a disk with the necessary driver files from the MSI website.
    Based on other posts I have seen I have put all the files except "txtsetup.oem" in another folder on the floppy (either "\win_XP" or "\winXP"). However I still get the same error message:
    "file \x32\jraid.sys caused an unexpected error (18) at line 2108 in d:\xpspl\base\boot\setup\oemdisk.c"
    I am beginning to think I can't install XP to a SATA drive.  Can anyone help with this? Is there an "official" driver floppy disk I can get from MSI in exactly the right format?
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    if you using 1 sata drive you dont set it up as a raid , in the sata options set it up as ide enhanced also in this mode no need for pressing f6 just make sure that the sata is set to 1st boot hdd , if you using 1 sata and 1 ide hdd and tring to isntall on the sata disconnect the ide hdd because it will mess with your drive letters in windows ... if you goin raid ( achi mode is only for sata 2 drives with NCQ = native command queing and your drives have to support this mode ) then in the sata drives portion set it to raid ( achi if your drives support it )  in the force part set it to force gen 1 ( for sata 1 drives ) force gen 2 ( for sata 2 drives ) then you will need to set up the raid config in the intel raid config ( its the next post screen telling you press CTRL+I ) set it up reboot reneter bios set hdd priority to intel raid 0 then intsall windows but press f6 ... yes i ran it 2 ways single sata drive and now raided 80's in raid 0 ( i dont have NCQ support yet )

  • A few questions about Memory and Power Supply for MSI 975X Platinum Powerup Edit

    Bought this Motherboard: MSI 975X Platinum Powerup Edition
    975X Platinum V.2(7246-020)
    I have a P4 CPU HT in it with 2 512mb sticks of DDR2 memory (533mhz).
    I am upgrading to a Core 2 Duo 6600 CPU which has a 1066mhz FSB
    What memory speed should I purchase to achieve the fastest bus speed without overclocking???
    I get confused as my current memory is 533 which I guess on a Pentium 4 with HT cuts the FSB speed in 1/2 to 266mhz.
    Any recommendations?
    Do I need to buy Dual Channel or can I just buy 2 sticks?
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    Quote from: /dot on 07-February-07, 15:46:41
    Great info again guys!
    I'll stay away from OCZ (I read it's more for overclockers).
    @DryHeat:
    I watched your sig, great setup! I'm planning for about the same setup (MSI 975x PUE, P180, C2D, ...). But will try a Scythe Ninja for CPU cooler and use an MSI graphic card (maybe 2 cards for 4 monitors in total).
    Is your setup silent or just quiet? Makes a big difference for me.
    What would you change now? And what is the most noisy component?
    Sorry for all the questions but I'm not an expert and by budget does not permit me from making any mistakes.
    The case fans create the most noise.  When they are all on "low" I an hardly hear them and have to shake the mouse to see if it's on, but on medium it sounds like a "standard" computer.  Not terrible, but not quite.  On high they are down-right loud.

  • MSI 975X PLATINUM POWER UP EDITION

    today is january 23rd, 2010
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    i am using brand new and tested functioning: thermaltake tr2 430w psu, intel core 2 duo 2.66GHz fsb 1066, and also tried a celeron d 2.66GHz fsb 533, 1x corsair 1gb stick 800 mhz, nvidia 7 series pci express vga card, connected to a test ctr monitor AOC 5en.
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    i hope somebody can help me, because now the store where i bought it has closed, and i dont know how to get a warranty from MSI since i dont understand their RMA policy.

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    if it is not sure that after updating bios the motherboard can use some more new cpu`s, then i think it would be a waste of time trying to do a bios upgrade.
    I am not sure that I understood what you mean, but it is nothing unusual that an older board/chipset will not support the latest processor models.  And this has nothing to do with the board manufacturer.  
    Quote
    I only wanted to do that bios upgrade thinking it would be enough to avoid the karma of searching for those listed cpus
    What is so hard about digging up a supported processor?  I mean, all you have to do is to decide which model you want to get (an E6600 would be a great choice for this board) and then buy it. You will probably be able to get a great deal on a used one on E-Bay.
    This is not a complicated situation.
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    this is my first msi mobo!!!  
    ... and it has nothing to do with this being an MSI Mainboard.  The only problem is that it is an old mainboard/Chipset and that the latest 45nm processors are too different regarding their specifications to be properly supported.
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    where can i get a copy of the driver cd utility of this mobo?
    i would like to get a copy from the original cd
    There was no driver cd included in the mainboard box which you can make a copy off?
    You can find all drivers for download on the product site for this mainboard:
    http://eu.msi.com/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=driver&maincat_no=1&prod_no=267

  • How do I change CPU FSB Freq on 975X Platinum Pue

    Hi all!
    I´m thinking about overclocking my CPU and that will be my first time ever. So I am a complete noob in this matter.
    I have already read the sticky "975x Platinum Pue Overclocking Guide" (I do have that board) and will  have it for reference later.
    1. I have one question regarding changing CPU FSB frequency. I´m asked to key in a DEC number. But how  should I do it. The guide says to "Start from 266 fsb increase by 3 fsb". So do I have to put in 269 to begin with, or how else do I change the number.
    2. One other thing I want to ask of before I begin. My memory is Corsair XMS2 2x1GB 800MHz PC2-6400 CL5 in Dual channel. But in Bios it says 667MHz and voltage 1.8. Do I need to adjust memory clock ratio and the voltage before I begin overclocking?
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    The reason you go up by 3 is because of stability issues as far as voltage is concerned. That is to say, go up by three, stress test (i like to use 2 instances of Folding@Home) and if it crashes, raise the voltage a little.
    Make your fsb:memory ratio 1:1 always, and that means it will run a little slower than what it's rated at to begin with but then you can move up from there. As a beginner doing a pretty small overclock, you shouldn't worry about RAM. At 3.2GHz your RAM will be running at 712MHz, which is a little slower, but once you get more experienced that means you'll be able to tighten the timings.
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  • Intel Pentium D 925+ on MSI 975X Platinum v1, won't install Vista

    I have this 2 components - Intel Pentium D 925+ on MSI 975X Platinum v1 - and a licenced Vista Ultimate won't install with them. I had first an Intel Pentium 4 640 and worked great. Than I've changed the CPU to Intel Pentium D 925+. When I first boot in Vista it hanged the system during the green bar sliding. Changed to XP, worked just fine. Tried again to install Vista, after booting from DVD and loading the files needed, the green bar goes again and after 2-3 passes it hanged again. I found that there is the latest bios available 1.4 and made an bios update... Then I retried to install vista.. It worked just fine... Decompressed the files, copied them onto hard drive, and after the first restart , when the screen appears again on installing and says "Completeing installation ..." it hangs again.   I just can't pass this phase no matter what I do and tried to install about... 30 times, every install being a clean install, formatting the hard drive. Every single time it hangs just there. Can anyone tell me what is wrong?

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  • MSI 975X Platinum V2 e6300 results: 400 fsb, can we do more?

    My Specs :
    C2D E6300 @2.8 24/7 stable - TT BIG WATER
    MSI 975X Platinum V2
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    PLATINUM USERS BE AWARE, i tryed everything to make it work.
    Bios Settings:
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    CPU voltage - 1.4
    CPU/ram multi - 1:1
    OCZ Gold 800 ram [email protected], 4x512 @2.2v
    Spread Spectrum - disable
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    Quote from: papubhai on 19-March-07, 19:54:51
    as i have already posted so many times in this forum its easy to get even 420 mhz just simply disable all cpu features set ram voltage to 2.1 V ,disable all i/o ports   ....thats all enjoy overclocking but at 400 mhz its a paradise  rock solid
    420 is not a dream though
    What works for might not work for someone else.  Without putting your system specs in your signature you are not helping anyone.  Your memory needs 2.1V (what brand/make?), mine (listed in my sig.) only needed 1.9V.  The topic starter says he has 1.4V for Vcore, I set mine to 1.21V and the CPU runs much cooler now.  Every rig will be set up differently because of the different components.  Don't assume that what works for you will work for someone else.

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