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MSI K8N NEO4-F And PC4200 DDR2

As far as I know, ddr2 will not be supported by AMD until next year - so we can all upgrade again! You have to go with ddr if you want them to work with mobos designed for AMD chips. Just my 2 cents.

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Anyone paired up a MSI K8N Neo4 mobo and a thermaltake soprano w/PSU

hello,
im pretty new here, im about to build a new computer, im getting a MSI K8N NEO4-F, and the case im getting is a thermaltake soprano w a thermaltake PSU, some ppl are telling me that the PSU only has a 20-pin power connector, will that work in the K8N neo4-f mobo ?
any help would be appreciated
thanks

i didnt mess with the door alarm thing lol didnt want to waste my time. I just use my aspire 520 watt the amps are in my profile its only a 20 pin but it kicks a$$, Strong amps and great cooling. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817148008 its a little longer so when installing and removing psu just unscrew the four little screws for the top USB

MOVED: MSI K8N NEO4-F

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https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=97738.0

Thanks Guys
EVGA 256-P2-N761-AR GeForce 8600GTS 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16
DVD burner
80 HD
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice 2.0GHz Socket 939
2 CORSAIR ValueSelect 512MB
XCLIO XClio 450BL ATX 450W Power Supply
Model
Brand   XCLIO
Model   XClio 450BL
Spec
Type   ATX
Maximum Power   450W
Fans   1 x 12cm ball bearing fan
PFC   No
Main Connector   20+4Pin
+12V Rails   Yes
PCI-E Connectors   1 x 6Pin
NVIDIA SLI Support   No
Modular Cabling Support   No
Power Good Signal   100-500ms
Hold-up Time   >20ms at full load, nominal line
Efficiency   >70% at full load, nominal line
Over Voltage Protection   +3.3V, +5V and +12V
Overload Protection   110-160%
Input Voltage   115/ 230 V
Input Frequency Range   50/60 Hz
Input Current   9A @ 115V, 5A @ 230V
Output   +3.3V@32A, +5V@30A, +12V1@15A, +12V2@17A, [email protected], +5VSB@2A
MTBF   >80,000 hrs at 80% load, 25 °C ambient
Approvals   UL, CUL, TUV, CB
Features
Connectors   1 x Main connector (20+4Pin)
1 x 12V (P4)
6 x peripheral
2 x SATA
2 x Floppy
1 x PCI-E
Thanks Guys
Gary

MOVED: msi K8N diamond plus and ram

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*** I don't want to open another topic so I'll post here ***
Can anyone please recommend a 2x1GB kit compatible with MS-7220 and runs in at least DDR-500 mode?
I'm about to complete my rig and I don't know what RAM to buy.
My options are:
*** GSkill F1-4000BIU2-2GBHV PC4000 3-3-2-8 (Dual Channel) 2048MB kit (2x1024MB) dual channel pack *** NOT in my country
*** GSkill F1-4000USU2-2GBHZ PC4000(DDR500) 3-4-4-8 (Dual channel) Samsung / 2048MB kit (2x1024MB) dual channel pack
*** Corsair TWINX2048-4000PT 2048 MB DDR / 500 MHz / 3-4-4-8
*** Corsair TWINX2048-4400PRO 2048 MB DDR / 550 MHz / 3-4-4-8
I heard that there are some problems with the BIOS on MS-7220. Will I be able to run the memory at DDR-500? On what BIOS version?
Thanks!

MOVED: MSI K8N NEO4-F IDE Problems

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Quote from: kakarocht on 16-May-06, 18:30:45
how about if you changed others IDE's cable any different? Also gives more details on your PSU especially on +12V!
Changed all cabels,
haven't a clue about power supply heres a link to it
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817148027
Could it be the crappy nforce 4 IDE drivers loads a people do be talkin about.

Anybody have an "MSI K8N Neo4/sli and?

Just a quick question, my cpu temp goes down when a fan is blowing over the mobo, do you guys have the sam prob? I get like 36ilde 40 load w/o a fan and 32/36 with a fan. I normaly dont have a fan because I have water cooling.
Edit: the temps are at stock speeds with a athlon 4000, and when I overclock it to 2.9hgz, the temo goes up 2/3degrees. And I got better temp oon air, about 34/38, with a Thermaltake heatsink.
Oh, and before somebody asks if I have platinum or diamond, niether
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K8N_Neo4/SLI

The temp sensor itself is inside the die of the CPU, the external IC that makes useful data out of this is the Winbond W83627THF.
It is located on the very "top right" edge of the board right by the power connector and the memory slots.
picture from Hardocp(chip at lower right):
http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTEwNzMxNTk1OEc0eDNITDVkeFVfMV81X2wuanBn
Honestly I am not sure the exact point where the "heating effect" comes from. Wheather it's the actual heating of the Winbond chip or the traces on the way to the chip run too close to something hot. Either way the lack of air circulation on the top half of the board when using, for example water cooling, creates the "false temperature" readings. Obviously the more pressing issue besides false readings, is the fact when not using air cooling, we are removing cooling from the VRM's, RAM, etc, etc which can easily shorten their life and/or produce instability.

Bluetooth problem with msi K8N Neo4-54G

I buy a msi K8N Neo4-54G and it was said on the box : "MSI Dual-Net Card (World First 802.11g+Bluetooth on single PCI Card)"
dont find any driver or something for bluetooth, but Wi-Fi work perfectly.
I hope someone know how to fix that problem.
thanks for your help

Quote from: crazy on 05-January-06, 16:07:28
You may firstly clear cmos and load defaults in the bios, and if it is available, please attach us a picture of the screen which the issue occurred when you hit enter during the its detecting the SATA hard disk. I am a little confused about what you said. Please tell me what changes have you made before the issue took place. I just want to help, so do many other people. But please firstly give us more detailed information.
I did it and nothing! Should I restore the original bios version that came with the mother?
I'll explain the problem: You enter BIOS, go to the disk properties (where says LBA, LARGE, CYLINDERS, HEAD, etc) and hit enter, usually the screen goes blue and shows a line at the bottom of the screen (they are like triangles pointing downside) and 2 seconds after everithing comes back showing the data of the disk ok? Well, now it hangs forever in the "triangles pointing downside" part and I have to restart the machine...
Does this belongs to the issue of the K8n neo4 platinum with the maxtor hdd's ??? The mobo is malfunctioning?
Please helpppp! Thanks!

[Athlon64] AGP problem with my new MSI K8N NEO4-F

Hey!
Just bought a MSI K8N NEO4-F and got a serious problem with the AGP port, the graphics card wont work!
When I install my radeon 9700 pro I can't get a picture, everything else works including a pci graphics card.
I don't have a diskette drive so I haven't upgraded the bios yet, but I find it hard to belive that you have to upgrade to get a picture.

Yes I managed exactly that. I've been out of the computer building business for a while so I didn't know the graphics ports had changed.
I will invest in a graphic card as well, thanks for putting me on track
(The manual sais something about the port supporting 8x agp though? )

Considering the MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum

Hello,
I'm currently deciding whether or not to get the MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum, and I just have a few questions.
1) How beginner friendly is it?
2) Does it take a lot of work to make it run or can you just plug everything up and the system will run fast and stable?
3) How stable is this board? I've heard that MSI boards were unstable, so how stable is this specific board?
4) I know this board is good at gaming, but how about office work like using Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, etc.?
5) I plan to keep this system for at least four years, will this motherboard give a lot of trouble? And how reliable is it?
5) Can ya'll share your experiences with MSI?
Thanks for any help.

Quote from: ExpertNovice on 30-June-05, 03:43:00
Is the MSI website http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K8N_Neo4_Platinum/SLI&class=mb where MSI names the board as "K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI" incorrect? It wouldn't be the first time a typographical error occurred.
If not then the OP may simply have not had enough room to enter a complete description.
No it is not incorrect, I am staring at the box mine came in. It says Platinum Edition-K8N Neo4/SLI, there is also a the non platinum version K8N Neo4/SLI and the non-SLI K8N Neo 4
anyway,
Quote
Maybe I'll get the Platinum SLI edition instead so that I can upgrade later to SLI without having to buy a new card. If I do get the SLI I'll use a single card for now and put in the second card later when it's needed. Does the MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI have any problems with running a single video card in non-SLI mode? And I've noticed that the SLI edition doesn't have a x1 PCIe or x4 PCIe slot, is sacraficing these two slots (as well as a regular PCI slot) worth it for SLI capabilities?
to answer that question, no it does not have problems running a single card in non SLI mode. It runs like a champ. I pernonally would not use the extra PCI slots, so to me SLI outweighs scarificing the extra PICe slots.

MSI K8N-Neo4 and PCI-E x4

Hi Folks,
I've got an MSI K8N-Neo4 (MS-7125) motherboard that I'm looking to add a RAID card to. It's got a PCI-Express x4 slot on the board that I'd like to utilize. However, I've seen some conflicting information regarding it's use. In the manual on page 2-26 it states "PCI Express x4 Slot (Support PCI-E x2 device Only)". However when I look at the webpage for the board at http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K8N_Neo4_Platinum& it makes no mention of this limitation.
The main reason why I'm wondering is because I'd like to add a HighPoint RocketRAID SATA raid controller to my system. If the slot can handle x4 cards, then I'll purchase the 2310 model, which is an x4. If it cannot, then I'll purchase the 2300, which is an x2 model. I've seen some mentions of other people on the forums with K8N-Neo4 boards using the 2320 (an x4 card with 8 SATA ports instead of 4 on the 2310), but haven't seen what sort of bandwidth they're getting. Are you actually able to get PCI-E x4 bandwidth out of this port? Or will it downgrade it to PCI-E x2 or PCI-E x1 (the PCI-E spec says that when cards a plugged into a different size port they only need to be supported at x1)? Or, and even better question, will it even work?
Thanks for any help you can provide.

Quote from: Bas on 09-July-06, 07:25:26
Those are not different then from what's on the motherboard
Want a real one? Look at this: >>Real one!<<
That's real raid controller.....
What you mention is just the same as the onboard stuff.
As for the Linux raid stuff, I presume you mean the Linux Software raid, no those controllers aren't that good, but the High-points aren't that good either.
Heck, they don't even have their own CPU or memory.....the one I showed you has and is WAY faster
(PS. sample given is PCIx, won't fit your board, but that's a raid controller!)
Okay, that still doesn't answer my question about the PCI-E slot. You make a decent point, but I was more using the Highpoints as an example and because they came up in several searches of the forum. For the sake of getting a real answer, lets assume it is a real RAID card, such as the PROMISE SuperTrak EX8350 RTL, which according to the Serial ATA on Linux page is a real raid card and all that. Will it work in the PCI-E x4 slot on the MSI K8N-Neo4 Platinum or not?
All I really want to know is if the slot can actually run a PCI-E x4 card or not. The documentation contradicts itself.

MOVED: [Athlon64] AGP problem with my new MSI K8N NEO4-F

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[Athlon64] AGP problem with my new MSI K8N NEO4-F

Yes I managed exactly that. I've been out of the computer building business for a while so I didn't know the graphics ports had changed.
I will invest in a graphic card as well, thanks for putting me on track
(The manual sais something about the port supporting 8x agp though? )

MSI K8N NEO4-F SATA ISSUE

System Specs:
MSI K8N NEO4-F
x2 512mb Corsair Xtra Low Latency 2-2-2-5
VisionTek x850XT
Creative Audigy 2 Platinum w/ Live Drive
(1) WD Raptor 10k rpm 74gb (SATA)
(1) Maxtor 300gb (SATA)
(1) Maxtor 200gb (IDE)
(1) Samsung 52x32x52 Burner
Windows XP Pro
Recently built system but I'm having SATA performance trouble. Let's start from the boot process. Sometimes when booting, the system will hang while detecting drives, and not detect my 300GB sata drive. A simple reset will sometimes fix this. If allowed to continue to boot, a blue windows XP error screen briefly flashes and the system reboots itself. Going into the bios and trying to autodetect the drive causes a long hang and no detection.
Moving into windows if everything seems to detect alright, sometimes the 300GB drive seems to function perfectly well, and for as long as my system stays up. Other times I'll go to open some sort of media on the drive (like video), and it will run rediculously slow, skipping and barely running.
I tried replacing the SATA cables, thinking that maybe they were bent too much or perhaps just bad, but after replacing them the problem seems to persist. This problem at first seemed confined to the 300GB, but my last boot to windows was crawling and anything i opened didnt respond, as the OS is housed on the raptor. So now it seems both drives are capable of this problem.
Does anyone have any incite?

Hi mjc2264,
It's the series 10 300gb maxtors that have been giving pps some issues not just with msi but all AMD64 Nvidia chipsets, its unusual to have Maxtor9 ?? give problems.
A number of things you might try:-
1) Bios Standard Cmos Features try changing the Access Mode for your 300Gb to Large instead of Auto.
2) Detection is sometimes Worse due to the Pata channel issues. If using the Nvidia IDE Drivers ensure your
Maxtor 200gb (IDE)
Samsung 52x32x52 Burner
are Jumpered explicitly as Master/Slave the NV drivers don't like CS (cable select). Ideally have 200gb on IDE1 & Samsung on ide 2.
3) If 2) gives no change Or if you feel the need Roll back The IDE drivers & try the MS Default ones
Click update driver on the Nvidia Pata driver tab in properties.
Choose install from a specific location
Select dont choose , i will choose the driver
Then select standard dual channel pci controller which is the XP 1
4) If Windows detects problems with drive access r/w errors it downgrades the drive access mode. If you have been having issues check in device manager IDE Ata/Atapi Controllers Right click properties on each tab & check access mode it s/be Serial ATA DMA for SATA & I think Ultra DMA 5 (or 6??) for Pata HD. If you find any down graded Set them back & XP will ask to reboot.
Luck

DDR 500 memory compatible with MSI K8N Neo4 Platninum?

Hi Folks,
I have a MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum PCB version 1 (S939/Nvidia NForce 4 Ultra), running the latest BIOS version. I wondered if DDR 500/PC4000 memory would work at DDR500 speeds? I note that the MSI webpage for this mobo only mentions DDR400 and in the manual, the BIOS description under "Advanced Chipset Features" - "Memclock Index Value (MHz)" says the maximum speed is 200MHz. However, when I go to this setting in my own BIOS, I can set it to 250MHz. I assume that this should give me DDR500? Would altering this "Memclock Index Value" above 200 MHz cause any other problems with FSB, CPU, HT, PCIe, PCI speeds etc. or is it completely independent? Does anyone have any recommendations of what sticks would work best (I was thinking 2 * 1024 Mb of Corsair XMS or OCZ XTC). Now that DDR2 is standard and DDR prices are creeping up, there doesn't seem to be much difference in price between DDR 400 and DDR 500 memory. Evern if my mobo can't support it, is there any merit in buying DDR 500 memory and running it at DDR 400 or intermediate speeds?
Cheers!

The x2 4800 would run 10x250=2500mhz.
With ddr500 it's beautifull,since you can use the cas latencies which are suited for the memory.
I have to lower my timings a bit to run them at 500mhz.Not much though,but I don't know what the long term prospect is for my memory if I maintain that for long periods of time.
As for running games,I found lower cas timings make my games run smoother opposed to the slightly higher ddr clock with slower timings.
But as mentioned,set cpu vcore 1 step higher in bios,leave the memory at auto,set cpu fsb or HTT at 250mhz,and use the default multiplier of 10 or also leave on auto.'The memory runs in spec and you wont damage it,only the cpu's get another 100mhz and should be a little bit more spicey while temps shouldn't go much higher as it is now.
The sticks should fit physically and I ran mine once at 266mhz stable,and they are just pc3200@200mhz

MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum SLI sound needs -5V; newest Antec 550W has no -5V rail

I came within a whisker of ordering a non-returnable 3700 Venice, MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum SLI mobo and an upgraded Power Supply, Antec's newest 550W PS the TP2-550 EPS12V ($117). This has dual 2x24pin 12V 19A rails and is touted as the new V2.0 EPS12V/ATX12v compatible power supply for high performance SLI systems. By accident I came across a page at MSI for this mobo
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mai...ail.php?UID=641
At the end is this warning: MSI Reminds You...
• For this model, you must use a Power Supply which has a -5V pin supply. Also, the users manual which I downloaded on Pg 2-10 says the same thing
The above Antec PS specs do not show a -5V rail, nor does an Enermax 600W I looked at. The V2.0 specs for ATX12v which added 2x24pin 12V rails dropped -5V rail from the spec and it appears MSI is not conforming to the spec (See Antec response at end) None of the web sites selling these PS & mobos contain any warning. I vaguely recall from a forum a while back it may have something to do with the Soundblaster system in the mobo.
http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=22551 (click specifications)
Isn't this a major showstopper which is going to cause a lot of grief for those of us upgrading to SLI systems using this mobo and upgrading our PS to the newest & best power design? We won't know the PS won't work until we build the system.
Regards, Ron
Antec reply to me:
>>>>Thanks for the link. Since MSI's website does state the motherboard needs the -5v, the True550EPS12V will not work with this motherboard. The Standard (http://enhanceusa.com/documents/atx12v_v2.01.pdf) has removed the use for the -5v rail and it is no longer needed. MSI has not manufactured that motherboard to the Standard. Finding an ATX12V v2.0 power supply with the -5v might be hard to find. You should contact MSI for a compatibility list of power supplys that were tested to work with the K8N SLI Platinum.

Quote from: ccve3 on 21-May-05, 07:27:40
Wow!! syar2003 thanks for that post. I've spend an hour going through it & fasteddies links. Now I are a power expert. The dual rail argument is enough for me to go back to the MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum SLI with one of the single rail PS -5V units listed by fasteddie. The only question left now refers to computerpro3 recommendation on ultra power supplies for SLI
>>I quite simply wouldn't dream of putting anything else in my machine. Keep in mind, this section is for 2x 6800 models, not the 6600's which most any good psu will handle (like Antec Neopower, ocz 520, etc). . Pc Power and Cooling 510 Deluxe SLI edition (refer to list)
2. Zippy/Emacs 550-700w models
3. OCZ 600w (personally I would get the pcp&c for the price, but it's been proven here, so I'll be fair...).
These are really high end, expensive and only 3-4 choices. Since I'm getting one 6800GT and eventually another & possibly eventually a 4800 X2, I was hoping the OCZ 520W would do it but computerpro3 says Powermaster 520 isn't good enough for SLI. I found that there is an OCZ 600W ATX12 dual rail which surprisingly has a -5V rail needed for K8N Neo4 SLI Soundblaster. Will this meet computerpro3's preference for a high end PS for SLI systems even though I'm losing the 1 rail advantage. Maybe the 600 Watts just overwhelms the 1 rail/2 rail question.
Thanks again for the teriffic help
Regards, Ron
Wondering what you settled on. I got the Antec TP550 and it's flawless on the board. I even have the older 20pin model which works perfectly (including sound). If you really wanted what I would consider to be a top dog (pcpower and cooling), and find the -5v rail missing, all you have to do is place a phone order and request they add a -5v rail. It's a minimal cost and a total solution for having everything. Just my $0.02

MSI K8N Neo4 FI Compatible with AMD 3800+ X2?

I just bought:
MSI K8N Neo4 FI
AMD Athlon 64 3800+ X2
Gainwood 7800GT Golden Sample
hec Pb-480PB 480W
Problem is that i don't get a picture when i start the computer.
Everything seems to work, all the cables are plugged in.
The gfx has power from the cable.
Can it be that the motherboard dosen't recognize the CPU, and that won't give my a picture?
Help would be appreciated.

That should be enough to start the computer. It has two +12V rails, which are of good enough ampage.
Now it looks to me like it needs a newer BIOS version to recognise the CPU.
See: http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/bios/bos/spt_bos_detail.php?UID=651&kind=1 I think this is your motherboard?!
You'll need another A64 CPU to flash the BIOS though.
Just to settle akhille's mind, you could also try a better PSU.

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