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MOVED: P7N Diamond Optimization and Overclocking

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First off:
Learn how Intel's Core 2 architecture works. Basically: how the FSB calls the shots, how Vdrop needs to be compensated for, etc..
>>Core 2 Duo/Quad OC Guide<<
If you wish to go more advanced (after doing the above, obviously), you can start tweaking with GTLREF and FSB VTT voltages: >>GTLREF and FSB VTT Voltage Tweaking<<
VGA card overclocking is another story... NVIDIA and ATI differ in both ways. With NVIDIA, getting the GPU and/or shader clock speed higher help most.
It would be better to overclock one card at a time, then go with the lowest overall clock speeds for both - upon completion - test them together (the thermals will play MUCH more a case here, so watch those temps while running SLI and the overclock).
>>RivaTuner<<

P7N Diamond Optimization and Overclocking

Hello again!
First, any tips on what BIOS features I can turn off/on to optimize my motherboard? I’m finding that this board has a ton of settings, many of which I’m not sure what they do. The manual isn’t much help so I figured I would come and ask you folks. Of course, this leads to my second question(s)…
I’ve been building my own PC’s for some time now but one thing I NEVER did was overclock. I’m not sure why I never did this before; I guess I just never thought it was necessary. Now, I would like to give it a shot. Could someone point me to a site, book or something that is good at teaching a beginner on how to overclock.
Currently I have an E8500 Wolfdale on my board. From what I’ve read this processor is good for overclocking. I’m looking at getting it up to about 3.8 – 4.0 GHz. I used CPUZ to get some information from the chip. Its core voltage bounces between 1.128 v and 1.1336 v (not sure why it bounces, is this normal?). My VID is 1.1500 v with a frequency of 333.33 x6.
I also have 6 GB of OCZ PC8500 Reaper memory. Two 2 GB chips and two 1 GB chips running at 1066 MHz I wanted to overclock my RAM but I have no idea where to go with this. I’ve also heard that OCZ Reaper isn’t good for overclocking but I don’t know how true that is. One thing that I think may be a problem is that the 2 GB chips have a timing of 5-5-5-18 and the 1 GB chips have a timing of 5-5-5-15. I’m guessing this could be a problem.
Lastly, I want to overclock my video cards. Again, I have no idea where to go. I have two 9800 GX2’s running Quad SLI.
I currently have an ABS BZ800 800 watt PSU which seems to run everything great even though I’ve read that I should have 1000+ watts. Will this matter when overclocking?
Thanks in advance (again) for any help!!!!
GH

First off:
Learn how Intel's Core 2 architecture works. Basically: how the FSB calls the shots, how Vdrop needs to be compensated for, etc..
>>Core 2 Duo/Quad OC Guide<<
If you wish to go more advanced (after doing the above, obviously), you can start tweaking with GTLREF and FSB VTT voltages: >>GTLREF and FSB VTT Voltage Tweaking<<
VGA card overclocking is another story... NVIDIA and ATI differ in both ways. With NVIDIA, getting the GPU and/or shader clock speed higher help most.
It would be better to overclock one card at a time, then go with the lowest overall clock speeds for both - upon completion - test them together (the thermals will play MUCH more a case here, so watch those temps while running SLI and the overclock).
>>RivaTuner<<

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Bomberh,
My bad...was thinking of the P6N Diamond..the P7N Diamond does NOT have the VTT option in Cell Menu. Just for info, I had .500 volts on my e6750 on stock air cooling and it posted 3600mhz and the CPU temp in bios never exceeded 32 deg C. So, what you have to do is raise the voltage to the CPU to give it a little "oomphh" to get into post and the OS. Your Arctic cooler should be able to handle it..try 1333, increase voltage in cell menu to .375 and see what happens? Up to .500 volts with a good air cooler w/adequate heat paste should be quite safe. You should always stop in bios to check the Hardware Monitor and record what the CPU and System temps are when O/Cing...if you see a steadily increasing temperature you will have plenty of time to pull the plug..lol. Keep us posted. Like Aaron said..it's all about trial and error.
Paul

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get with these settings FSB 1550 X 8.5
D.O.T. Control...................... Disabled
Intel EIST.......................... Enabled - vid 1.23v
SLI-READY memory.....................Expert
System Clock Mode................... [Manual
CPU Ratio Setting .................. [8.5]
FSB Frequency ...................... [1.550] 387.5 X 8.5 = 3.293 Mhz
PCIE Frequency ..................... [100]
DRAM Frequency ..................... [1066]
Auto Disabled DRAM/PCIE..............Enabled
Advance DRAM Configuration: Manual
1st
CAS# Latency (CL) : 5
TRCD : 5
TRP : 5
TRAS : 15
TRRD : Auto
TRC : 30
TWR : Auto
TWTR : Auto
TREF : Auto
1T/2T NENORY TIMING : 2T
CPU Voltage ........................[0.01250]
DRAM Voltage .......................[2.10]
NB Voltage .........................[1.300]
SB Voltage .... ....................[1.575]
NB Memory Reference Voltage ........[1.045]
Memory Reference Voltage............[1.075]
Memory Terminator Voltage ..........[1.275]
CPU GTL Reference Voltage ..........[Auto]
NB GTL Reference Voltage............[Auto]
FSB Terminator Voltage .............[1.293]
SB Sleep Mode Voltage...............[Auto]
PCIe Expander PLL Voltage ..........[Auto]
CPU Spread Spectrum ................[disable]
is to reach 3600? I have to change?
my test in CPU-Z
STOCK:
in test IntelBurnTestV2
is good? thank you
--I hotlinked your images so you didn't need to have the separate links.
I also moved the thread to the overclocking section.
-Mike

P7N diamond bios settings listing, saving, and loading

I think I know the answer to both of these questions, but what the hell maybe the obvious isn't always the case and a yes to either would be really cool so
Is there any way to list my bios settings, you know like a simple cat or tostring() so I can have a cheat sheet
if I save my bios settings in user settings, can I load those into a new version? (I'm thinking they're erased with the new flash, it wouldn't work, or it would flash back

Allow me one last comment in this thread because I think Karlbad did not get the point of my reply:
Creating a tool to readout parts of the CMOS Memory (where the settings are stored) is not a problem. Here is the data a simple BASIC Program puts outs:
The tricky point is to relate each and every one of these numbers to their particular function within the parameters of my particular BIOS Setup structure. To translate these numbers back to the actual options in the BIOS Setup mask is a possible task. However, it takes many, many hours. This in itself is not a problem either: the crucial point is that this needs to be done for any particular BIOS Version that is looked at.
If this relational problem is considered, it easy to understand that pen&paper and/or a digital camera are better ways to get the job done. They do not take hours of programming which would need to be repeated for any particular BIOS Version. And because of that, such tools are a complete waste of time, a complete waste of energy and ambition and also a pointless activity. And (to take the arguement one step farther) that is precisely why you will not be able to find anything useful using Google. Useful tools for this kind of task don't exist, because they are pointless.
Now, if that is to hard to understand, I don't know what to say. Reacting with swearing is probably the only possible response. However, it does not rule out the fact that your memory in conjunction with a pen and a piece of paper and/or a camera is the best option here.
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My 1.2 bios does have an option to save settings
Yes, but not to a file external to the BIOS and even if, you would get a similar sequence of raw data as you can see in the screenshot above.
Your best options under the bottom line:
- use your memory
- use pen & paper
- use a camera
--> Problem solved.

P7N Diamond, Bios P07, QX9650, 8GB PC-8500 problem

Read through main fo the topics in this forum, and tried to identify similar problems, but seem not to be successful.
P7N Diamond board, with the nwest beta P07 bios.
QX9650 quad chip,
and patriot PC2-8500 2GB memory sticks.
2x EVGA 88800GTS-512 (G92) video cards.
So first I flashed the new bios, with only 2 memory sticks in 0, 2 slot, I get post with just fail safe settings, and SLI ready memory enable, which the vendor claims these stikcs can do.
I boot, but the CPU bounces around between 6x and 8x.
If I add 2 more memory sticks to come to 8GB total, I crash during boot in Vista 64.
So remove 2 sticks again, and try to play with bios settings to get anything stable, but... nothing.
Any ideas, help.
Thanks much.

It's normal for your speeds to fluctuate. It is speedstep(EIST) in action. It lowers your cpu speed to save power when it isn't doing anything or a light load. You can disable it in your BIOS if you want and it should run full speed at all times.
Can you boot into Vista with 1 video card and be stable?
What power supply are you using? It sounds like you are lacking enough power to run both those cards. Make and Model number for PSU.
You may also need to manually setup your memory timings. DDR2 memory has a top limit and it is PC2-6400. Anything over that limit is overclocking and may need adjusting to get them to run.
Make sure you only have keyboard, mouse, and monitor plugged for testing to help eliminate other issues.
Can you make a signature with all your computer components listed similar to the one I have below. it will help us help you. It's sometimes hard to help when you don't have enough information.
-=Mark=-

P7N Diamond vP07 and v1.42 Beta

These BIOS' are for the P7N Diamond and the P7N Diamond ONLY.
I've attached the performance BIOS vP07 and beta BIOS v1.42. Please provide feedback on these BIOS' as they can help other users in future.
>>Click here for v1.42<<
NOTES:
Do not load optimized defaults with the performance BIOS, as it will set memory timings to 4-4-4-18 1T and no memory can handle these tight timings at high speeds, without excessive amounts of voltage.
The beta may be missing options, as they aren't always complete BIOS'. But they tend to fix quite some issues.
*** Flashing either of these BIOS' are at your own risk. Do not complain if you end up with a paper weight! ***
*** Do not post problems/queries in here! All non-feedback related replies will be removed with/without warning! ***
Flashing the safe way:
NOTE: Use second mode from the Tool, (Point to BIOS file directly). Extract BIOS from archive and point to the BIOS file.

Quote from: theYipster on 18-March-08, 00:11:56
The 1.1B4 BIOS has been quite good. Using it, I've been able to bench my Q6600 at 4.05ghz (450mhz FSB) and find stability at 3.6ghz (400mhz FSB) with +.25000 vCore. However, I know my chip is capable of being stable at 3.6ghz on less, and I'm hoping future BIOSes will only further improve OC results.
Thank you for the feedback.
Quote from: theYipster on 18-March-08, 00:11:56
I recall there being quite a flurry of new releases leading up to the current 1.1B4 release, but there hasn't been anything since. Do you have any word on when we can expect further BIOS developments for the P7N Diamond.
I'm not quite sure, but I will continue to check and upload the new betas as they come.
Quote from: theYipster on 18-March-08, 00:11:56
Also, while many of us have been able to zone in on stable FSB Term and GTL Ref voltages, the meaning of the numeric, non-direct-voltage settings remains a mystery. Have you been able to find out any more information about these settings and how they relate to an actual voltage?
I'm still waiting for an answer on this...

P7n diamond bios'

Hello, I was wondering what do you guys/girls consider to be the best bios for the p7n diamond edition motherboard? I am overclocking to 3.6ghz on a q6600 kentsfield GO edition, anyway what would be the best for overclocking? thanks!

Read >>Posting Guide<<
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Bomberth,
Please see the XS thread on the P7N for lots of OC tips and assistance:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=178286
Assuming you have a good Q6600 (preferably G0 stepping) and proper cooling, you should have no trouble OCing on this board.
Regards,
Mark.

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Absolutely nothing helps. NOTHING. I have tried every possible thing you could expect normal user to try. This mainboard is crap. I got this to almost work with some (very expensive) Kingston memory sticks which were mentioned somewhere with this board, it only crashes few times a day now! Every component is tested at reseller AND replaced with some other brand. No help.
BFG GeForce 9800GTX OCX 512MB
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 2.5GHz boxed 45nm (Socket775)
MSI P7N Diamond LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI (24pin)
Corsair Dominator XMS2-8500 4GB Kit (1066MHz)
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Re: P7N Diamond vP07 and v1.16 Beta

hello ...
my config is qx9650 p7n diamond - 4x 1gb mushkin 8500 cl5 - 2x msi8800gts g92 - bios original 1.0
i'm not able to oc cpu
i'm not able to run 1066mhz ddr module due to 2.25v standard voltage
what kind of beta or performance bios can i try for this problems?
thanks

Bios 1.0
man 800 - auto vdimm - man sett. cl5 others auto. no problems at 5-4-3-9-23-2t
man 800 - 2.1v vdimm - man sett. cl5 others auto. no problems at 5-4-3-9-23-2t
man 900 - auto vdimm - man sett. cl5 others auto. no windows boot
man 900 - 2.1v vdimm - man sett. cl5 others auto. no problems at 5-5-4-10-26-2t
man 1000 - 2.1v vdimm - man sett. cl5 others auto. no problems at 5-5-4-11-29-2t
man 1066 - 2.1v vdimm - man sett. cl5 others auto. no windows boot
man 1000 - auto vdimm - man sett. cl5 others auto. system not stable
man 1000 - 2.2v vdimm - man sett. cl5 others auto. no problems at 5-5-4-11-29-2t
1066mhz is not stable with bios 1.0
not i have to try with p07 bios.
if you have some idea replay ... what is best setting for others voltage parameters?
how does nb memory ref. volt. - memory ref. volt. - memory term. volt. works?
what does others parameters means?

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if the on-board sata controller is set to RAID I receive a "Not enogh space to copy PCI option ROM [04:00:00]" error and the system boots normally from SATA. I receive no other messages for the Prmise.
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there is not enough space in the MB BIOS to load the TX4660 BIOS.
This is not about there not being enough space in "BIOS". It is about reserved address space in system memory. Have a look at this:
I have marked the reserved address range for Option ROMs in red (it is here labeld as "Add-In Card BIOS and Buffer Area"). The space is limited to 128KB and this limit cannot be changed because of general x86/PC compatibility guidlines that exist since the early DOS days and still exist today.
This Option ROM Space that is reserved within a limited address range within system memory (128KB). All invoked option ROMs have to fit in there (onboard RAID Controller Option ROM, your TX-4660 Option ROM, Video Card Option ROM, USB Controller Option ROM etc.). They will, of course, not fit into that designated 128KB window and that is why you get this message:
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Not enogh space to copy PCI option ROM [04:00:00]
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- BUT! If you disable the on-board USB controllers and raid the TX-4660 BIOS is loaded and runs perfectly
- I've finally added a third party USB controller and the system is still working...
Well, it looks like you already found a workaround then.
You could also check for a firmware update for your Promise FastTrack TX-4660, perhaps a different firmware version will reduce the size of the invoked Option ROM.

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Yep, CPU-Z version 1.51 is what I have installed. It kind of stinks that 3.7G's is the highest folks can get this board. I know many folks get the E8500 well past 4+G's, but I'll be happy with a stable 3.7G's. I really wanted to keep with BIOS overclocking, I just thought maybe I was doing something wrong. Any suggestions on some sort of performance testing I can do at default settings then at my overclock settings so I can verify I'm getting a performance increase?
Thanks for the reply!!!!!!!
GH
P.S. Oh yea, my VID is 1.2250v... I knew I had it written down!

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thats funny mine did that when i first got it , but when i received my new memory and video card everything was normal...so i dont remember if it was the memory or the VC..i just totally forgot about it..funny though i thought it was only me

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