MOVED: SATA-3 Card for Hard Drives

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Not sure how well they work. With spinner HDD's, I don't believe there is much difference between SATA II and SATA III performance.
Some SATA III HDD's have a place for a jumper on the back that allows them to run without any problems on SATA II ports and controllers.

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SATA-3 Card for Hard Drives

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• 3 PCI Express gen2 x16 slots
- two dark Blue PCIE x16 slots (PCI_E2 &PCI_E4) support up to PCIE x16 speed, one Blue PCIE x16 slot(PCI_ E5) supports up to PCIE x4 speed
- supports ATI® Crossfire™
• 2 PCI Express gen1 x1 slots
• 2 PCI slot, support 3.3V/ 5V PCI bus Interface
My original motherboard was replaced with a MSI X58 Pro-E. This motherboard does not support SATA-3 as are my hard drives.
Is there a SATA-3 card that would work in one of the above slots at the SATA-3 6GB/sec?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=100006519&isNodeId=1&Description=sata+controller+card
Not sure how well they work. With spinner HDD's, I don't believe there is much difference between SATA II and SATA III performance.
Some SATA III HDD's have a place for a jumper on the back that allows them to run without any problems on SATA II ports and controllers.

3rd Party SATA raid cards for internal drives?

All --
Apart from the discussion as to if RAID actually benefits a home desktop system, I am wondering if anyone has the lowdown on using 3rd party SATA raid cards to support the INTERNAL hard drives on the Mac Pro series?
My Mac Pro is still slated to be built at Apple and for now I have the minimum memory and HD spec being requested at Apple, with the plan to upgrade the memory and drives from OWC or another vendor.
I've toyed with the idea of utilizing Disk Utility's software RAID features (e.g. RAID 0 for scratch disks, RAID 1 for boot, RAID 0+1 for all else.) I've also toyed with the notion of searching for a hardware raid solution which would allow me to transfer the internal SATA cable runs from the motherboard to a host adapter card for an internal multi-channel experience (with options to create and break mirrors to external devices for backup purposes.)
So....
Has anyone experience or utilized 3rd party hardware raid controllers which can connect to the internal HD bays? Are there limitations to this (ie, does the boot drive HAVE to reside off the internal motherboard controllers, or can an internal hardware controller successfully boot the system) of which ought be noted?
Finally, in the event that a host adapter card cannot drive the interna bays, can anyone give feedback to hardware SATA cards to power external drive bays with support for Disk Utility (to allow RAID1 pairings of internal drives to external snapshot-backup drives)?
Thanks for your time,
Ian Poulin
Richmond, Va

I am wondering if anyone has the lowdown on using 3rd party SATA raid cards to support the INTERNAL hard drives on the Mac Pro series?
There are many 3rd party controllers that support the internal HDs if an internal iPass connector is used. The problem is that some are bootable but most are not.
The Areca ARC-1680ix-12 and the HighPoint RocketRAID 4320 are bootable. However, the system cannot be installed via the Apple DVD. Instead the user needs to clone a boot drive with the proper drivers to the boot volume on the controller and then boot from the 3rd party controller.
The other issue I found is that these controllers do not support Boot Camp. If Boot Camp is desired, my recommendation would be to leave the internal HDs on the Mac Pro internal bus intact and use the 3rd party controller for external storage. This method provides four internal bays that are bootable, support Boot Camp and can be used for system backups. I use the 3rd party controller for external storage for large RAID sets and hot swapping hard disks.
With the internal bays intact and external hot swap RAID storage available the user can support Boot Camp, multiple system volumes and large external RAID sets. From my experience using a 3rd party controller with the internal HD bays always has some limitations. The user usually does not realize it unit later when Boot Camp does not work or the computer fails on a system upgrade or the controller does not work at all with a new version of Mac OS X.
Staying with the standard internal Mac Pro bay configuration will be the best configuration to avoid compatibility issues with future versions of Mac OS X. It is rumored that the new Snow Leopard may require 64-bit drivers. If that is the case, I would expect most if not all existing 3rd party controller drivers to fail. Some drivers will be upgraded after a few months while others may not. Having the internal Mac Pro SATA controller intact should at least allow the Mac Pro to boot if my guess about compatibility issues is correct.
can anyone give feedback to hardware SATA cards to power external drive bays with support for Disk Utility (to allow RAID1 pairings of internal drives to external snapshot-backup drives)?
There are a large number of external controllers that work with Disk Utility. Here are some of my favorites.
1. FirmTek SeriTek/2SE2-E and the SeriTek/5PM
http://firmtek.stores.yahoo.net/sata5pm2se2.html
http://www.amug.org/amug-web/html/amug/reviews/articles/firmtek/5pm/
2. Sonnet Tempo E4P
http://www.amug.org/amug-web/html/amug/reviews/articles/sonnet/mac-pro/
3. DAT Optic eSATA_PCIe8
http://www.amug.org/amug-web/html/amug/reviews/articles/datoptic/pcie8/
Have fun!

Recomendations for Hard Drive Configurations

I bought a rather basic computer a couple months ago to learn Premier on because I did not have the cash for the NLE machine I really wanted with the expectation I would upgrade it as needed. I knew when I started the 250gb hard drive free space would diminish but I did not think it would happen so quickly. Stock footage and completed projects have depleted my 250gb hard drive free space to 17gb and the hard drive is overdue for an upgrade already.
Any suggestions for hard drive specs and set up configurations that will compliment production with CS3 would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Mike
Computer specs: XFX 680i LT SLI MB; Q6600; 2gb ram; Vista 32 bit.

Personally, I'd keep the 250GB with System & Programs. It is over-sized for that purpose, but I'm not one who enjoys uninstalling and re-installing either their OS, or their programs. If you've got it set up that way already, you do not have to do a mirror/image/Ghost and hope that you get everything over to the new drive. Chalk this up to my laziness. You can also use some of this space for seldom used Assets, like SFX, or music, that you want to keep handy, but will not be accessing that often. I do this on one storage HDD, and then copy over these Assets to the Project, as they are used, on the big, fast Media HDD, when needed.
Add 2 new HDDs, if you have the controller connections. You will be limited, with this choice, to what controller you have in your system. Right now, the 750GB units are selling at some low prices, as the 1TBs are really coming on line. Two 500GBs would be cheaper, still.
If you have an open PCI/PCIe slot, you could get a speed boost by adding a good SATA II controller card and going that route with the HDDs. The SATA's are running a bit more expensive, than ATA-100/ATA-300s, but you will get a little I/O boost.
There are several good threads already, on how best to use your new HDDs with PP. The ideas may vary a bit, but the folk responding are stating how they find it best to configure Scratch Disks, etc., for their particular workflow. I'd search these forums (do not exclude the PP2 forum in your search, even though you have CS3).
Last considerations will be the cooling of your case and the capability of your power supply. Within *practical* terms, you cannot run your system too cool, and can never have too beefy a PS. If you have minimal cooling, look for more efficient fans, or more fans. If your case is close to you, and you edit with the speakers, quiet cooling will be a benefit. Do check the output from your PS, to make sure it can handle additional HDDs, or you may have to upgrade that, as well. When I'm commissioning a new system, I go with the most powerful and coolest (I'm talking thermal here, not flashing LEDs) PS, that I can get. If I can get it up to about 2.5x my immediate needs, I know that I can add "stuff," and not have to worry. Overheating systems and inadequate PS's are a big reason for system crashes, especially while rendering.
Hunt

Sata cable position for new drive

Hello,
I will be installing a new drive in my G3 (I am aware this is a G4 forum however this should be relevent to G4's too) . It is a SATA drive and I am not sure where to position the SATA cable. I know how to connect the ends however the cable I am ordering will either be 12 inches or 18 inches and it will have a 90 degree bend on the drive connector which I have heard is a convenient feature to connect to the drive. How do I bundle the excess SATA cable length? Should I zap-strap it with plastic zap straps and suspend it above the drive somehow or is it OK to just leave the SATA cable sitting on top of the drive? I am concerned about the heat. The drive will probably be a Hitachi T7K250 250 GIG SATA drive.
Thanks,
Mike

Hello Allan,
Thanks for your comments. I will be buying a FirmTek SeriTek/1S2 SATA controller card ($69.95)
It has 2 Internal SATA Ports. Available at:
http://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-1s2/
Seems like an excellent method to be able to use SATA as well as address one of the limitations of the g3 which is the fact a g3 can't recognize large hard drives. Also, this SeriTek/1S2 card works in both OS 9 and OS X. Its well known for this versatile feature of being able to work on both OS 9 and OS X.
Looking forward to installing it.Just concerned about how to bundle the cable and how best to fit it in. I am also not sure if I should position my new second big SATA drive (Hitachi T7K250) 250 GIG next to the original 12 GIG or space it away a bit in the next drive bay over.
There are lower drive bays for hard drives: back: where the original 12 GIG is nearest the fan. Middle and front (farthest from the fan). I will have to choose either the middle position or the front. Not sure which is best or if it even matters.
Hope everyone is enjoying a nice weekend!
Thank you Allan,
Mike

I moved itunes file to external hard drive and want to move the file on my pc to recycle bin. When I move i get an error message that it cannot delete ituneshelper.dll access is denied. Can I move that file to the recycle bin?

I am trying to free up space on my pc and moving itunes files to external hard drive. I have followed instructions and believe I have file copied to new drive, but I am having trouble moving file to recycle bin as the instructions say. I am getting the following error message: cannot delete ituneshelper.dll:access denied, make sure disk is not full or write protected and file not in use. I know the file is not in use when trying to move. Any help would be most appreciated. I am on Windows XP.

Yes. And you should not have moved that folder. Put it back. To move your iTunes library move the folder from User's Music.
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I have a macbook air. I was unable to fit all my music onto it so i moved iTunes onto an external hard drive. How do I transfer my music (80GB) onto my iPod classic?

I recently bought a Macbook air. I had 80gb so I moved iTunes onto an external hard drive. How do i move that music onto my iPod classic?

You can only sysc with one iTunes library. The new computer is a new library. You have to restore your iPod on the new conputer and then sync.

Moving projects to an external hard drive in FCPX?

Hello, in previous versions of Final Cut Pro 10 was no problem moving projects to an external hard drive. In the latest version I do not get this. Anybody have any tips?
Regards Marius

File>Open Library>New.
Set the location of your new library in the save dialog.
In the Libraries pane, drag the event that contains your project into the new library. It will make a copy. Or use the Move or Copy commands from the File menu.
Russ

Broken part - cover for hard drive

I am trying to buy a broken part, it is a cover for hard drive for Thinkpad T400 type7417. Please give me an idea where?
Picture of it: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/109298789000338710152/albums/posts
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Hi janman,
You can buy it from eBay or IBM maintenance parts. The FRU no. is 43Y9654.
Hope this helps.
Maliha (I don't work for lenovo)
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What is the other category on my mac book pro for hard drive space on how do I improve on it

What is the "other" category on my mac book pro for hard drive space? I found out that it is taking a whole lot of my computer's space...how do I find what it is and optimize it?

If you need to remove files for space see The XLab FAQs and read the FAQ on freeing space on your hard drive. Also see Freeing space on your Mac OS X startup disk.
Under no circumstances should you try deleting files outside of your Home folder.

Itunes is too big for my laptop, i moved it to an external hard drive and now it's lost

My laptop was too slow and the hard drive was full so I added memory and it was still too full. I bought an external hard drive and tried moving my itunes to it. But now itunes can't find any of my music. I tried moving the entire itunes folder onto the external hard drive and still itunes can't find it. I tried moving everything back to the laptop - but it won't accept the file because its too big. Help!

iPods don't look for the library. iTunes does.
I recently moved my itunes music folder
Don't move your music folder.
Let iTunes do it.
Point iTunes prefs to the location where you wan tit.
Then go to menu Advanced -> *Consolidate library*.
This will copy the iTunes music folder to the location in iTunes prefs.

Dv 5000, how available sata for hard drive recovery

before I open her I wantred to know if there is a extra sata input on the motherboard for data recovery purposes?
regards

Hi,
Please try this (free):
http://www.easeus.com/resource/drive/external-hard-drive.htm
I don't know make and model of your external drive but on some models you can not find SATA/IDE connector, you have to use a different connector. Hope the link above helps.
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Picking the right SATA ports for Hard Drives.

With in a week I'll be puting together my new system, I'm currently buying and ordering parts now.
K8N NEO4 Platinum (Non SLI)
Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego
Saphire/ATI x850XT
Enermax 24pin 535w PS
(4) Corsair 512Mb XMS DDR400
(1) Raptor 74GB 10000rpm SATA/150 (primary C: drive)
(1) Maxtor 300GB 7000rpm SATA/150
(2) WD 100Gb IDE drives
(1) Plextor DVD burner IDE
(1) Plextor CD burner IDE
My question: As you can see, I have two SATA devices and four IDE devices. I won't be using RAID.
Which two SATA ports should I use? I don't quite understand the differences. Maybe not a concern?
For the IDE bus, should I make the two hard drives primary on each IDE bus, and have the burners secondary?
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks!

I just built my machine using the K8N Neo4 Platinum myself.
I am using the first two Nvidia SATA ports (the purple colored). I think it is easier to connect your SATAs on there.
Make your optical drives on one IDE channel and your other 2 hard drives likewise. Make your DVD burner the Master and set your CD burner as a Slave. Same with your IDE hard drives. Set either/or WD to a master and the other to a slave.
Those are just my suggestions, as there are many different combinations to plug these IDE devices in. You are primarily looking for best performance since devices sharing an IDE cable won't get top performance (as in the Slave devices).

Filevault Encryption for Moved Home Directory and External Hard Drive

This posting consists of two different, yet associated, questions.
Here is my relevant equipment:
MacBook Pro
Micronet Platinum RAID Pro, 2.5 terabytes (uses: video editing, backup)
LaCie Rugged All-Terrain Hard Disk, 160 gigabytes (use: additional storage for MacBook)
*Question 1:*
I currently use FileVault to encrypt my Home directory on my MacBook Pro. However, I am running out of hard drive space, given that I do a lot of work with film and have a lot of large applications such as Final Cut Studio 2 and Creative Suite 3 Master Collection fully installed and taking up a lot of space.
Hence, I need to move my Home directory to an external hard drive to free up a nice amount of space, and I would like to keep the applications on the Macintosh hard drive to ensure that they run optimally (though the Lacie drive does use FireWire 800, so perhaps it would not matter?). +Leaving my Home directory unencrypted is not an option.+
Question: If I use the Advanced Options for my Account within Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard (Apple menu > System Preferences > Accounts > (right click) Advanced Options...) to change the location of my Home directory to the Lacie external hard drive, will FileVault still encrypt my Home directory at this new location?
*Question 2*
In the past, FileVault would not encrypt data on external hard drives—only data within a Home directory.
Of course, I understand that there are many ways to eschew this limitation of FileVault (e.g., create a secure image with Disk Utility, use third-party software, et cetera). Still, it would be nice to have this functionality built right into the Mac OS as part of FileVault, for ease, reliability, and so on.
Question: With Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, is there now any way to use FileVault to encrypt files other than those within the Home directory? That is, any files that I drop into the Lacie hard drive (for simplicity, let’s assume outside of the Home directory option I asked about above in the first question) would be encrypted by FileVault.
Thanks.

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I moved iTunes music to my hard drive "D" and now it won't open!

My hard drive "C" was getting somewhat full, so I decided to move my iTunes music files over to my second hard drive "D" (I have a dual hard drive on my computer). When I try and open iTunes, it says, "The folder 'iTunes' cannot be found or created, and is required. The default location for this folder is inside the 'Music' folder."
I cannot open the "Music" folder, because when I do, it just opens up the same window I was already in when I tried to open it. The main reason I want to open iTunes is so I can reset my iPod because it is not working anymore. The scroll wheel, the hold button, the backlight, and it automatically sleep mode (after not touching it for a couple of minutes) is all that works. I cannot click anything.
I have moved all of my iTunes folders back over to my "C" drive, but it still won't work. I also reinstalled iTunes in the "Music" folder, and it won't work. Basically nothing has worked!

You might find this article useful, don't be put off by the title, the process is substantially similar moving to another internal drive: iLounge - Managing your iTunes Library on an External Hard Drive

MOVED: SATA-3 Card for Hard Drives

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