MOVED: using kt4avl mobo w/amd athlon xp 2500+ barton....problems oc'ing

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using kt4avl mobo w/amd athlon xp 2500+ barton....problems oc'ing

Sorry if I'm posting in the "wrong" section - maybe you could tell me where I should post instead?
With a 333mhz max fsb board like the kt4avl, what should I be able to change to overclock, then?  When I up the cpu freq from the default 166 to even as high as 180, it won't post...let alone 200 like I hear people do.  What you're saying about the bios reading what's hard-coded into the chip during post makes me go 'hmmm', because if I set the freq down to the bios default of 100, the post reads the cpu as a 1900+.
I tried poking around on the internet for specs on successive xp chips, like the 2600+ and the 2800+.  My chip, being the 2500+ which runs at 1.833ghz, has a multiplier of 11 with a freq of 166.  Whereas,I found some doc on the other chips having multipliers of like 12.5 or 13.5, something like that - when I tried manipulating the multiplier higher than the stock 11, it posts, but it didn't change my operating frequency any when I viewed it from within Windows (system properties view in Windows tells you how fast your cpu is operating), but that did increase when I was manipulating the cpu frequency in the bios earlier (it's just that it 'hit the wall' at about 175mhz and wouldn't post with anything above that, even when increasing the cpu voltage to 1.7 or 1.75).
Can someone suggest what they might try, given these symptoms?

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    Cooler: Slim Volcano 10+,   P/N A1671,  rated for up to AMD Athlon CP 3400+ & fresh heat sink compound. Freshly re-seated.
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    I checked with the Tech. at the local shop where I purchased the KT4V MoBo. He suggested I try a different BIOS but he didn’t specify which one. He is a personal friend and admits to some bad luck and dead boards due to flashing bios so reluctant to mess with it.
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    •    No wonder people are frustrated and confused about different MoBo versions there ID #’s and the BIOS versions them selves as seen on this news board. MSI’s fault, no fault of anyone here trying to help.
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    I must have booted this beast a dozen times or more after Clear CMOS jumper each time it went to blank screen with mach. still running. Start over; set Default settings and work up with FSB 100, 133, each time to read what POST says and see if it will boot to O/S.
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    *The Original Box bar code label: KT4V-L (601-6712-050)
    K7, KT400. 5.1 chnl. S/W Audio, LAN, D-Bracket 2.
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    Just saw this: Latest Official BIOS : KT4 MS-6590 (1.4), KT4V  MS-6712 (1.8 ) , KT4M MS-6596 (1.1)>>Here: [VIA] unofficial FAQ for KT4 series motherboards
    « on: 24 October 02, 05:14:04 »  But these links and all but one link in this ‘sticky’ are broken .
    So if  (1.8) is the Latest Official BIOS for KT4V MS-6712  then what is this at the Official MSI SITE ?
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    AMI® BIOS      File Sizes
    485KB
    Version
    1.C      Update date
    Update Description   -Support Sempron L2 512K 3000+ CPU.
     BIOS Type
    AMI® BIOS      File Size
    Version
    1.B      Update date
    2004-8-9
    Update Description   Support Sempron 2200+/2300+/2400+/2500+/2600+/2800+ CPU.
        BIOS Type
    AMI® BIOS      File Sizes
    485Kb Version
    1.A      Update date
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    Update Description   - System is unstable to run 3DMark03 with ATI 9600 PRO
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    - Support AMD 2400+ CPU.
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    514KB
    Version
    1.9      Update date
    2003-7-29
    Update Description   -Fixed Adaptec 2100S SCSI card cannot be used
    -Modify CPU temperature detection
    -Support boot from Onboard LAN
    BIOS Type
    AMI® BIOS      File Sizes
    514KB
    Version
    1.8      Update date
    2003-2-12
    Update Description   -Support AMD Barton XP3000+ (FSB333) CPU
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    This seems descriptive enough and rather lengthy. Just doing my homework and reporting my findings so I won’t include actual CMOS settings unless requested. I have notes on all settings I currently use to boot with this problem.
    Other Dogs:
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       ASUS A7M266-D running Athlon XP 2800 (mp), Mem: 3gb Super Talent
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      I don’t want to boar you with the details.
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      Cut to sound track: Down on the BIOS again,,, wasn’t that Creedance Clear Water Revival?
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    Welcome, and thank you for a thorough input! Hope I don't miss something you already said!
    Quick version: Try setting processor voltage to 1,5 volt.
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    Posting at wrong FSB can be put down to two things:
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    2 The system cannot run the processor at the correct speed. Mainly this has to with overheating, and/or that memory and processor cannot cooperate. This must be it, as you noticed the processor is correctly recognised.
    You have little connected right? Then the best thing would be to pull power cable out. Take the motherboard and redo the seating of the processor, this is much better done with motherboard taken out.
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  • Using kt4avl mobo w/athlon xp2500+ cpu - oc'ing headaches so far....

    Here's a post I started in the wrong topic section by mistake....still looking for ideas, though 
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    HI.
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