Moving Catalog in PSE8

I want to move my PSE8 catalog. My current catalog is in a custom location. I want to move it to a new custom location. When I do File > Catalog, highlight the catalog to move there is no Browse button on the Custom Location line for me to select the new location. The only thing the program allows me to do is to click on Catalogs Accessible to All Users or Current Users. How do I move the catalog to a different custom location?

plastydoc5: I tried what you tried before I even posted this question on the forum. When I did that copy like you described, when I opened the catalog I got an error message that the catalog was corrupted. A Repair didn't help.
In your case are your image files in the same directory structure as your catalog? I have my catalog files stored on my local hard drive and my images are stored on an external hard drive.
But I ended up taking a current backup of the catalog (I actually have 3 catalogs) and restoring it into the new location. That worked ... kind of ... and that will be the topic of another posting here shortly.
Thanks for your input.

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  • Struggling moving catalog + pictures

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    solodarwest wrote:
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    Total files wrong volume  :      0
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    Type                    : builtin_drive
    Status                  : online
    Total files             : 13
    Total files missing     : 0
    Total files wrong volume: 0
    Description             : HP_PAVILION
    Serial                  : 0056-27B3
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    Id                      : 173
    Path used by PSE        : C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Adobe\Elements Organizer\Catalogs\My Catalog
    Type                    : database_relative_drive
    Status                  : online
    Total files             : 0
    Total files missing     : 0
    Total files wrong volume: 0
    Description             : database relative
    Serial                  : amoc:database_relative_volume
    Drive_path_if_builtin   :
    Id                      : 2
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    C:     builtin_drive    0056-27B3 
    D:     builtin_drive    1BB6-6D06 
    E:     readonly_drive   0000-0000 
    F:     readonly_drive   E1C6-579C 
    H:     removable_drive  0000-0000 
    I:     removable_drive  0000-0000 
    J:     removable_drive  0000-0000 
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  • Trouble After Moving Catalog in LR 3

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