Moving from DPP/iPhoto to Aperture

With the price cut I succumbed and bought Aperture and am pretty pleased with it. I love the workflow - miles better than before. Now though I have to decide how I am going to deal with all my old images. I've had my Canon 350D for about a year now and have taken 2500 images, all of which I have stored in RAW format in date named folders as imported by the Canon software. I then used Canon DPP to modify the images as necessary, generate JPEGs and then put the JPEGs into iPhoto for cataloguing, making into books etc etc. Also in the iPhoto library I have lots of pictures from my own and my friends compact cameras, totalling 4280 images.
So my question is how to use iPhoto and Aperture going forward, and what to do with my old EOS350D files. Is there any way I can somehow import these JPEGs with their organisational structure into Aperture but also associate the RAW files with it? Or should I maybe just take my best images, put them into Aperture as RAWs and ignore the others? Or take the RAWs and reorganise them? Or should I just take the whole iPhoto Library and use Aperture for RAWs, JPEGs, compact digicam pics etc etc.
BEar in mind that the way I tend to work is to just take lots of shots and keep them as a history of stuff I've done or events I've been at. I like to have a collection of shots from, say, a wedding to remind me of it. It doesn't have to be a great photo if it means something to me or people close to me. Occassionally I'll get a goodie that I might do something with and enlarge for showing to a broader audience (more through luck than judgement probably!), but really I tend to use the DSLR the way a lot of people use a compact, but get better pictures.
Any thoughts/suggestions?
Powermac G5 1.6MHz Mac OS X (10.4)

Do you intend to do further work on those old RAW
files?
Of course. At any rate, I want to have them at hand.
If so, you should have no trouble importing
them into Aperture if they were taken by a camera
supported by Aperture. They should be in your
Pictures folder in their original form.
I use my own organizational system that spans (at the moment) 7 300 GB disks. The Picutes folder is too limiting. I don't use iPhoto to import, therefore all of my RAW files exist together in a folder for each project.
If you
worked on them in DPP, then DPP will have an extra
file of instructions on what to do to the RAW in
order to produce the final image. But the RAW files
themselves will be in their original form and
Aperture will import them. ORIGINAL RAW FILES ARE
NEVER MODIFIED! There is no such thing as a "DPP
modified CR2 file".
With all due respect, yes there is such a thing, sort of. DPP will append the recipe data to the end of the RAW file (embedded within the file, but not within the raw data itself). Therefore, you could say that the raw file has been changed, in that it's been added to.
Aperture will not import the DPP
recipe, nor will Aperture import the RAW file as
modified by the DPP recipe.
Do you mean to look as modified by the recipe? That is understood and expected. Fortunately Aperture seems to have a similar look compared to DPP.
My concern however, is whether Aperture will recognize/import CR2 files that have been handled by another raw converter "modified" i.e., had recipe data embedded within them. I'm not concerned that Aperture will not interpret the recipe files and give a similar look (I should have clarified that in the first post).
Maybe I should post this as a new question to avoid hijacking the original questions raised by Phil (but I would be interested in hearing from you Phil - or anyone who uses DPP).
Ron
G5 2.3DP 4GB RAM & iBook G4 12" Mac OS X (10.4.6) Canon EOS-1D II N cameras, DPP & Photo Mechanic 4.4.2

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