Moving originals from Version Sets offline

Everything is working fine, but wanted to find out if there was an easier way to select just the originals from each version set to move them off-line? I now have more than 10,000 version sets in my V6 catalog! The idea of expanding all the sets and manually selecting the originals is a bit daunting. At the same time, I don't want to move everything off-line, nor loose the originals by flattening the sets.
I'm contemplating, duplicating my catalog with one catalog totally off-line and then flattening the version sets in the second catalog. Is there any easier ways?
Thanks

Unfortunately, Adobe changed the way version sets and stacks are displayed in search results in PSE 6 whenever a file is matched by a search query, the files entire version set or stack are included in the search results. As a result, there is no easy way to select just the matching files within the version sets or stacks.
For example, you could do a Find > By Details, with criteria Filename Does not Contain _edited, to find all the originals. But the search results will display all the files in each version set, which defeats your purpose.
A number of people have complained about this here and in other forums. (I dont think a product manager thought this through very carefully.)
I cant think of any easier way of accomplishing what you want.

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This is odd . Did you tried with clean preferences. To clean preferences go to "Edit Menu>PReferences>General" and click the button "Reset Preferences on next launch". Relaunch PSE.
This is not new, already several posts on this forum and one bug report:
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/save_in_version_set_not_working_in_p se12
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http://forums.adobe.com/message/5766588#5766588
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I have several photos that I edited and saved, but I did not save them as version sets. Now I would like to convert each of them to a version set -- the edited photo on top of the original photo. Is it too late to do that?
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Sorry, I forgot to mention the details -- I'm using PSE8 on a laptop with Win7 (64bit).
Yes, my terminology is confusing because I'm fairly new to this and not exactly sure what I'm doing. I am following the example of an Adobe technician who led me through a process whereby I could move photos from one catalog to another. I have 5 catalogs, two of which contain many thousands of photos each. The other 3 catalogs are more specialized and thus smaller. My Flower Catalog, for instance, contains a couple thousand pictures.
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I have found need to re-arrange some of the pictures in my Organizer (PSE 3.01, Windows). I have found that if I move an image that is the top of a version set, only that top image is moved. All the older versions remain in the old folder.
Of course one can get around this by opening the version set and moving all the pictures from there, but I was moving a bunch of images, some of them version sets. This meant that I had to treat all the version sets a bit different. Would have been nice if everything went as a package to the new destination folder.
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Sorry Larry, but I also found that in PSE 3.0.1 the only thing that worked for me was to expand each version set (one at a time), select all of the photos in that version set and do the Move.
Before starting my Moves, I had done a test (with an insignficant photo version set) of moving with Windows Explorer and then doing Reconnect. My moves were to a different physical hard drive and Reconnect was not automatically finding the new location. So I decided that expanding each of the version sets was the lesser evil for moving and updating the Catalog.
>Would have been nice if everything went as a package to the new destination folder.
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Hi there!
My computer just crashed last week - apparently got a nasty virus infection that went through the firewall. Consequently I had to reformat the hard drive and reinstall the whole system (Windows 7). Of course I had a back-up of all my pictures so this is not a problem. The pain is that I have to reinstall all the softwares...! Today I reinstalled Photoshop Element 8 from the installation CD I have and directly after I imported all pictures again in the organizer. Everything went fine though of course it took some time as I have many pictures. The problem now is that all my Version Sets that I had have disappeared!! Pictures belonging to the same Version Set are there but they are not included in a Version Set anymore. I use to have Version Sets for different formats of the same pictures, for instance jpg, PSD and NEF, as it is very helpful. This is very annoying as I had plenty of these Version Sets and they were helping me big time in my work flow.
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.You can't recreate version sets, they are only created when you save an edited file ; but you can create stacks, either manually, or by using the help of the 'automatically suggest photo stacks' feature based on visual similarity.
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Actually all my hard drives are pretty full but I do recall (I may be wrong) that Adobe was offering (free of charge or not?) the possibility of having an online backup. Is this backup compatible with the integrated backup/restore process or does it work differently? For instance does it allow me to backup catalogs too?
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I looked for the catalog as you told me (help menu/System info) and it seems to be a folder containing several files. If I want to make a backup of my catalog manually (via Windows explorer) do I have to save the whole folder or just the PS8DB file included there? How do I restore catalogs if I choose this option?
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Is there any way to restore version sets files?

About six weeks ago my machine crashed, I reloaded all my software following a restore on my primary hard drive. I was able to recover my catalogue, but instead of Approx. 20,000 photographs, the program showed 41,000+. All the version sets had been separated into individual items. I find that I can stack the photos as cohesive groups, on a one-at-a-time basis. I haven't made much headway (I began last week), but it looks as if I might be at it until the cows come home (or maybe they will die of old age,first). Besides, stacking isn't a very good solution for me. Version seta are very much the way for me to go.
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There were two drives on my machine when this happened; The C: drive is a 160Gb Seagate, and I also installed a 750Gb seagate. Originally, my photos were on C: but I was running out of room real quick, so I put in the 750, and the machine named it H: I moved the files to the larger drive, and changed the default in PSE to read H: I kept my software on C:
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You can discover the location of the catalog fie by opening PSE, then choosing "Help" > "System Info ". The complete file path will be shown, but as dj_paige has mentioned, you would have to "make hidden files and folders visible" in Windows itself to find it. I have attached a typical PSE system info window, to show you what I mean.
You 750GB drive was originally recognized by Windows as a "Volume". is that correct?
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You did a very smart thing by taking all your photos off "C:/", but since you were forced to do this, you don't get the points. I never build a computer with a large boot (OS) drive. It takes away the temptation of wanting to store anything but transient data on it.
This issue of category tags not being present, is also a slight blunder on your part. Every photo should be given the "File" > "Write Tags and Properties Info to Photos" treatment. If you don't do this, and even a "minor disturbance in the force" occurs, you lose those tags. If you do do it, then you could delete a file from your catalog, and reimport it 6 months later, and the tag will still be attached.
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