MS-6191 256mb PC100

Hello all,
Recently I bought a 256mb PC100 stick to install on my MS6191 but the bugger doesn't want to boot with it.
According to the manual the board can take 256mb per bank upto 512mb max on 2 banks.The new stick is tested and found ok in another system.
At the moment I am running in dimm1: 128mb and in dimm2 64mb of ram.
the specs of these are..
Winbond PDP100-064162EU     128 MB PC100 SDRAM (CL 3.0 @ 100 MHz) (CL 2.0 @ 100 MHz)
Micron Tech. 8LSDT864AG-10EC7     64 MB PC100 SDRAM (CL 3.0 @ 125 MHz) (CL 2.0 @ 100 MHz)
Motherboard:
Motherboard ID     62-1601-000000-00101111-071595- IRONGATE$1AMD75X0A6191MS V1.6
BIOS:
System BIOS Date     06/08/00
DMI BIOS Version     A6191MS V1.6
BIOS Type     AMI (06/08/00)
CPU Type     AMD Athlon-PECM, 1000 MHz (10 x 100) Slot A
Motherboard Name     MSI MS-6191 (1 ISA, 6 PCI, 1 AGP, 2 DIMM)
Motherboard Chipset     AMD-750 Irongate
System Memory     192 MB (SDRAM)
System interface 200mhz EV6
Chipset Properties:
Motherboard Chipset      AMD-750 Irongate
CAS Latency (CL)      2T
RAS To CAS Delay (tRCD)2T
RAS Precharge (tRP)2T
   RAS Active Time (tRAS)     5T
Would appreciate any help in the right direction, Thanks!

the 256 dimm would need to have 2x as many ram chips on it as your 128 has
most problems with new ram is they are much denser,have a few chips for a big dimm
than the ram was around when your board was made
Clear CMOS Guide
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