MSata slot on s400

Hi, could anyone SHOW me (pictured) the location of mSata slot on S400 with Pentium 977.
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T430s or T431s? and a key question concerning the T431s mSATA slot

T431s or T430s?
First let me apologize for my English, sorry if reading through this cause you any headache…
I gave away my T410 (bad bad decision) the day after I got a i7 Yoga 13 with 256G SSD, and bought a M4 256G which I planned to put in the free mSATA slot, only to find out i can't live with that yoga keyboard and that huge off-center touchpad which gets in the way all the time a few days later... anyway, end up returned that yoga13 and is using my heavily abused limping T500 now with a replaced motherboard... I was looking to go back to thinkpad and buy a T430s right away but Lenovo announced T431s one day afterwards. now i dont know what to choose, although leaning towards T431s a little bit.
things i'm looking for in my next laptop: first X1C is not an option for me, I can’t accept that screen with high dot pitch.
l weight: less than my T410, it doesnt have to be light as an Acer S7 or Samsung 9, just reasonably lighter, and as slim as possible.
l Processing power: doesn’t really matter, anything i5 or i7, M or U… all fine to me, I can run Lightroom, DPP and video processing applications on my desktop and I don’t play games. 8G or more RAM is needed.
l Storage: comes with 256GB SSD or user upgradeable to 256GB SSD is an absolute minimum requirement, but I really prefer any flexibility to configure a second drive, HDD or SSD, is a big plus, preferably HDD as the second drive.
l Screen: wouldn’t mind squeezing my eyes on a FHD screen, but I can only settle on a 900p, afterall I’m looking for a thinkpad, have to live with that screen, right?
l Tough… every one of my laptop gets dropped once or twice… many many times in the case of my old T410… so it needs to be tough…
l Not much else…
So, T431s is lighter, slimmer, user replaceable 7mm SSD, mSATA available (a concerning question later), all good, and I like the new look. And I don’t care much about the indicators, lid lock, flipped logo or that new touchpad (I think I can manage, maybe…).
So what do I have to sacrifice if I choose T431s? removable battery, ultrabay for optical drive and HDD, full voltage cpu, and possibly a couple hundred dollars… since we don’t know for sure how much optional parts will cost in customized build, and of course the risk of buying an unproven, newly designed product. Did I miss any other key point?
If I didn’t miss many advantages that T430s have, I probably should go with T431s, it was all good until I found a video which shows how to disassembled a T431s (http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTI5NzIxMzg4.html) and at about 4 mins in, it shows that the WWAN card is secured by a single retaining screw in the middle on the outer edge, unlike typical mSATA SSD which should be secured on the 2 corners of the board. Does this mean users can no longer install a mSATA SSD on T431s? if so, I can only have one 7mm SSD instead of having OS installed on a 256G mSATA, and have a 500G HDD to storage all the photos and videos, which I was intended to do, that maybe a deal breaker…
I don’t really understand these hardware upgrades, can some one please tell me for sure whether the mSATA slot on T431s, as shown in the video, can be used to intall a regular mSATA SSD. If I can, I’ll probably still struggle to make the decision, if it can’t be used to install SSD, T430s it is.
Any help is appreciated!
Kai
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thanks, yes, it's the new NGFF M.2, and the new form factor is a lot more complicated than the old mSATA slot, different dimensions for different storage size, and it maybe single side for WWAN, cashe drive, or double side for actual SSD perfermance...
if i'm gonna get a T431s, i'll just buy the 320G 5400RPM low end drive, make a recovery media from Win8, and reset to factory setting after intall a 512GB 840 Pro, or the much cheaper M4...

Any ideas on the best Config for RAID-0 on the Precision M6800 using SSD's (and the mSATA slot)

Hi, I have an M6800 on order that has a single 500GB 7200RPM hard drive. I am going to upgrade the storage the day it arrives (removing the 500GB drive and not utilizing it at all). I plan on setting up an SSD RAID-0 array and want to take advantage of the mSATA slot if possible.
I thought of using the 2TB 2.5" Seagate/Samsung Momentus SpinPoint ST2000LM003 hard drive for storing unused vhd\vhdx files as well as video and photos, then using an SSD RAID array for the OS, Applications, Data and any active vhd's.
Is it possible to set up RAID-0 using the mSATA SSD slot and the primary internal hard drive slot?  I want to use those 2 drive connectors so I can still use the 2TB 2.4" regular notebook hard drive without removing the Blu-Ray Writer? I plan to write video to Blu-Ray discs that will be stored on the internal 2TB drive, so removing the optical drive is something I want to avoid.
As a general question, Is there any advantage to using RAID with SSD's, or would a single 1TB mSATA SSD in the mSATA slot be nearly as fast in real world use as a 2 disk SSD RAID? Would I have a noticibly quicker boot time and application load time if using SSD RAID? I know the speed test specs show large increase in performance, but will the computer really run a lot faster with 2 x 500GB SSD in RAID-0 as opposed to getting a single 1TB SSD card for the mSATA slot?
I was planning on getting the Samsung Evo 840 SSD 2.5" drive and the matching Evo 840 mSATA card. There is a Samsung 850 series drive, but it is only available in 2.5" (mSATA is not available in the 850 as far as I can tell).
Please suggest the best solution that is compatible with the M6800 or provide any information that might help.
Thanks

Hi Ential,
Thanks for the info, I thought my question would go unanswered forever. I posted the question in January, and I have since set up the computer. Below I will detail my research and the configurations of drives that I have used on my M6800 since the time I posted the question you answered. Perhaps the results of my research and testing might help you.
I originally I bought the same exact model SSD's that Dell sells with the computer thru their website;    the LiteOn 512GB drives (mSata & SATA), I configured them in RAID-0. The LiteOn drives are sold under the brand name Plextor, I found the proper model numbers by looking at the SSD drive firmware upgrade file from the Dell support website.
From what I understood, my RAID-0 drive consisting of the 2 LiteOn drives had impressive performance using the AS SSD benchmark program, I was getting performance scores over 1600 back in February.
I have since changed to the Samsung EVO 850 1TB drives and again created a RAID-0 drive, one SATA drive and one mSata drive totaling 2TB. This drive array is getting AS SSD performance scores over 1900. I contacted Samsung to get some advice on the configuration of the drives and I got some interesting advice that seemed to help a lot:
Samsung told me to leave 200GB of the drives (100GB each) unallocated when I partitioned the drives, this is generally referred to as "overprovisioning" (which you probably knew already).  I initially thought that overprovisioning could only be configured by the Samsung Magician software and a special process needed to take place to tell the firmware to utilize a specific amount of drive space for overprovisioninng.  The Samsung support agent told me that the Samsung SSD firmware (on both mSata and SSD) automatically uses any unallocated space as overprovisioned space (they are basically the same thing to the drive firmware) and it increases performance in a very noticible way when you have sustained use of the drive and/or durinng the time in between the TRIM process (garbage collection). The unallocated space is used by the firmware to write data to while blocks of data are awaiting internal wiping initiated by the TRIM process.
Since I have 200GB of unallocated space, I am able to have more sustained deletion and writing of data between TRIM/Garbage Collection runnninng than I would ever utilize without affecting the performance of the drive. Basically most SSD drives have performance decrease throughout the day until the TRIM process is completed by the drives firmware, so Samsung instructed me to leave at least 10% of the drive space unallocated to limit that problem. Smaller drives likely need a higher percentage of space unallocated as compared to larger drives since the daily amount of read/write operations is typically the same regardless of drive size.   The amount of space left unallocated/overprovisioned is based upon the amount of read/write operations done on any given drive, not based on the size of the drive itself. If you run drive intensive applications, you would then want to overprovision more GB of drive space, if you have light use of the drive then you can overprovision/unallocate less GB of drive space (all of the configuration info regarding overprovisioning and TRIM was given to me by a Samsung specialist over the telephone - I called their tech support phone number and got a storage specialist to talk to me).
I will look into the SATA version on the optical bay, I never thought about that with this computer. My prior computer was a Dell XPS 17 3D (L702X) notebook which had 2 internal 2.5" SATA, in which I installed an optical bay drive. On that specific computer the optical bay was technically an SATA 3, but due to design constraints it couldnt run at that speed since there was voltage leakage across some pathways in the chipset when the optical bay has read-write throughput that is typical of a hard drive (as opposed to much less data transfer typically seen on an optical drive).  The M6800 can be factory configured with an optical bay hard drive, so I suspect it can support one properly. The XPS 17 was not available with an optical bay drive as an OEM configuration from Dell, so it couldnt be expected to properly support one. The design issue with the voltage leak across the chipset pathways on the XPS 17 was known by Dell, but due to the low bandwidth of an optical drive, the problem never occured with any of the factory OEM configurations.
It is possible that the optical bay hard drive offered by Dell (the exact OEM Drive installed by Dell) could have an internal limitation to SATA 2 due to a similar design limitation. It would not be surprising if an SATA channel designed for optical drives had SATA 2 speed since I suspect there is no SATA Optical drives that could use more than 3GB/s of data anyway.
I purchased 2 of the 2TB 2.5" hard drives that Dell uses for OEM configurations for this computer, they are Samsung 5400 RPM drives. I have one in a 2.5" internal bay and the other in the optical bay - I converted my Blu Ray Recorder/Writer drive to an external drive. I will do some extended time speed tests on the optical bay drive to see if its performance matches the internal drive (which is the same exact model drive - I have 2 of the same Seagate 2TB drives installed with the same firmware).
I use the pair of 2TB drives to store .vhd and .vhdx drives for test platforms for Hyper-V machines. The virtualized servers with high hard drive utilization get moved to the SSD RAID-0 array, the rest are stored on the 4TB rotational drives.
If you have any questions or comments for me, please let me know. I will see what info I can find on the optical bay SATA revision for this notebook, I am very curious to find out if it is in fact SATA 2. I will let you know what my test results are, I will try to use the AS SSD benchmark program, I believe it will work with rotational drives, otherwise I will find another benchmark utility - do you have a recommendation on which to use?
Thanks again for your info and for pointing out the possible limitation of the optical bay..

ENVY Touchsmart 15 J000 Series (J001TX) Optional mSATA slot for installing Windows?

I wanted to ask
1. whether we can install a mSATA drive of 60-120 GB in the mSATA slot and use it as the place to install Windows? Would it be like having a dual hard disc setup if windows is installed on the mSATA and the 5400 rpm HDD is formatted? I know this might affect the warranty but still i am curious.
2. Also is any particular mSATA drive models whitelisted/blacklisted by HP?
3. When we install a mSATA drive in the bay, does it affect the max RAM which we can use?
4. What is the size of the mSATA drive that would fit in the slot available?
5. Is the interface of the mSATA slot SATA II or SATA III?
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I wanted to ask
1. whether we can install a mSATA drive of 60-120 GB in the mSATA slot and use it as the place to install Windows? Would it be like having a dual hard disc setup if windows is installed on the mSATA and the 5400 rpm HDD is formatted? I know this might affect the warranty but still i am curious.
2. Also is any particular mSATA drive models whitelisted/blacklisted by HP?
3. When we install a mSATA drive in the bay, does it affect the max RAM which we can use?
4. What is the size of the mSATA drive that would fit in the slot available?
5. Is the interface of the mSATA slot SATA II or SATA III?
Hi,
Q1: Yes you can install Windows on a mSATA module on this laptop..
http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-envy-hdx/729085-envy-15t-j000-msata-ssd-hdd-fresh-install-msata-b...
I recommend to remove the hard drive if the how to doesn't say that. A mSATA module is compatible so I don't think it will affect the warranty.
Q2: Hard to answer this one but some guys already confirmed that Samsung PM830 256GB drives work with this series. Some other models also work, just search this forum..
Q3: The mSATA can be used as cache or a boot drive. If it's going to be used as cache it won't work with 12GB or more according to the manual for the laptop series. If it's going to be used as a boot drive there shouldn't be any limitation so you may use the max 16GB or so.
Q4: mSATA is a standard/interface/format so any mSATA SSD should fit the slot, the capacity doesn't matter.
Q5: As I said mSATA is an interface (slot), SATA II or III (speed) is a matter of the chipset on the motherboard. It's the same case like the typical SATA connection. The connectors and slots are the same but the speed is based by the chipset..
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Does the HP 15-j152nr have an Available MSATA slot?

Does the HP 15-j152nr have an available MSATA slot?

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Does the HP 15-j152nr have an available MSATA slot?
Hi,
Remove the service cover at the bottom and have a look. I think that the mSATA might be there as the slot is available on Pavilion 15 j000 laptops with nVidia (dedicated) graphics cards.
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SATA 6Gb/s support with mSATA slot in the T530?

How would I find out if the mSATA slot in my T530 will support SATA 6.0 Gbps? I have an Intel 7 Series/C216 Chipset with a core i7-3520M.
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I used the forum's Search function. That led me to several posts including T430s mSATA speed? (see someotherguy's post of 11-06-2012 09:54 AM) and T530, what are the sata speeds? (see lead_org's post of 20-11-2012 12:35 PM.) Both are well-informed and well-respected posters on this site.
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ENVY 15 J000 Series (J037el) Optional mSATA slot for installing Windows?

I wanted to askWe can install a mSATA drive of 250 GB in the mSATA slot and use it as the place to install Windows? Would it be like having a dual hard disc setup if windows is installed on the mSATA and the 5400 rpm HDD is formatted?

max91r wrote:
I wanted to askWe can install a mSATA drive of 250 GB in the mSATA slot and use it as the place to install Windows? Would it be like having a dual hard disc setup if windows is installed on the mSATA and the 5400 rpm HDD is formatted? Hi,It's definitely possible. However, you can't boot from the mSATA so it needs some adjustments to get it working. Browse this Hardware Upgrade section. I remember guys had it done on this series models with Windows 8.

Does new GP60 Leopard-836 have empty mSATA slot?

I'm looking at the GP60 Leopard-836 and am wondering if it has an empty mSATA slot. I've found information on previous GP60 releases, and some have them and some don't. Does anyone know for sure on the Leopard-836? Thanks!

What if you visit the review pages of notebookcheck, one of the GP60 is saying no mSATA slot within the design.
you may check the detailed review here...
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-MSI-GP60-i740M245FD-Notebook.106525.0.html
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I'm looking at the GP60 Leopard-836 and am wondering if it has an empty mSATA slot. I've found information on previous GP60 releases, and some have them and some don't. Does anyone know for sure on the Leopard-836? Thanks!

Using the mSATA Slot in a ZBook 15

I am going to add a SSD to my Zbook.
Ideally, I would like to add a Crucial M550 512GB SSD in the mSATA slot and keep the hard drive where it is for music and videos. I would really like to add a Blu Ray writer in the optical bay so I dont want to move the hard drive there.
Can I use the mSATA slot for running the OS and programs? Or is it designed for hard drive caching only? If I can run programs from the mSATA slot, will it run slower than if I had it installed in the SATA III slot?
Thanks much!

Hi,
Firstly the " Crucial M550 512GB SSD" won't fit physically. Secondly please read the following discussions:
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Hardware-Upgrades-Replacements/set-msata-as-boot-drive-in-bios/td-p/281...
http://blog.laptopmag.com/install-msata-ssd-tutorial
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Protective Cover on msata slot - w530

Hi,
Ordered my w530 with no msata ssd. When I opened it, there was a removable plastic covering over that slot.
Through googling around I found a couple of tutorials that say to replace that cover. So that is what I did. Everthing is working fine.
But at the same time looking at google images, have seen a few w530's with the keyboard removed and there was no cover over the msata ssd.
There is also no mention of that plastic cover in the w530 maintenance manual.
So decided to try and get some feedback from other w530 owners. What is the purpose of that cover? Not sure how hot these msata ssd's get. But have a feeling it may shield the keyboard against heat, but at the same time wouldn't it simply melt the plastic covering? Should it be on there?
Any input would be much appreciated. This is the tutorial I followed.
http://www.the.me/review-lenovo-w530-thinkpad-workstation-the-best-laptop-photography-can-buy-period...
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these plastic covers melting temperature is higher than what your laptop would generate under usage condition. So if the cover is melting, then all your other part of the laptop motherboard is also melting.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lead_org/8350025284/
My machine doesn't have any covers on the mSATA, it is probably there on later one to prevent contact between the mSATA with the keyboard.
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X220 msata slot compatible with SATA III

I do have a msata II 60gb in my x220, but would like to upgrade it with a bigger model from http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=CT120M500SSD3
that one is msata III but claims to be SATA 2 compatible.
Will this combination work with my x220? In another blog post I read that it has major drawbacks (much slower) to use a msata3 drive in a msata2 slot. Is that true?

@ritzdank...
I can't comment on Sandforce-based SSDs, but the Crucial m4 mSATA uses a Marvell controller.
This article: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6884/ states that the m500 is also Marvell-based.
Please post back with your impressions once you're up and running on the SSD.
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MSI GP60 - mSATA slot?

Hi!
I bought a MSI GP60 this weekend and I'm expecting to receive it during this week. It's a "basic" version, and comes without the hybrid hdd, which I wouldn't want anyway.
As I don't want to buy a large ssd and I'd like to still have the 500gb HDD, I'd like to install an mSATA SSD if there's a free slot in it. Can someone tell me if my future GP60 will have this slot?
And if it doesn't, anyone knows where to buy a disc tray that replaces the original so I can install a normal SSD without removing the normal HDD?
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Darkhawk thanks for your reply.
I finally received my GP60. Overall good impressions, given the price. Did not come with any operating system, I did a fresh install if Windows 7 64bit and used the drivers they had online. Comments/problems:
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2. Problem: The orange light stays always on, meaning that it uses nvidia all the time. I can't get it to work with the intel vga, although all drivers are installed and everything seems fine in device manager. The change should happen automatically right? Any ideas how to fix this?
3. Problem: The 5 out of 6 buttons at the top never light orange, as others have already mentioned. No idea why...
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New mSata SSD Doesn't Fit Slot in y510p

Hello,
I recently purchased a intel 530 240GB ssd for my extra msata slot. Turns out that my new msata ssd won't fit the slot. I'm wondering if Lenovo installed the wrong type of slot on my mobo. Any suggestions will be appreciated.
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Hi,
The SSD you linked is an mSATA part. It will not fit in a y510p. It isn't just the size. As stated earlier in this thread, the slot in the laptop (if it is there at all - some don't have an SSD slot) is for M.2/NGFF cards. They are a completely different form factor than mSATA.
Here's the M.2 version: http://www.mydigitalssd.com/sata-m2-ngff-ssd.php
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