MSI 6163Pro & AGP support

Hi,
I've got one simple question
Can my MSI 6163Pro support newest AGP cards (Radeon 9000, Ti 4200). I've heard that knew AGP cards have (1,5V) but my MSI 6163Pro support 3,3V.
Please let me know if someone knew )
Pit

A GF2 or GF3 Ti200 are the most likely to work because of the lower power requierments, but with a good power supply and system cooling any of the mentioned cards should work.
A 128MB card is likely to conflict with the bios so a 64MB card is the best candident for upgrading.

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I modded my MSI 6600GT AGP

I took my MSI 6600GT AGP all apart to mod it. I thought I would share what I found out in case anything wants to mod theirs also.
I didn't want to flash the bios for the temperature, so I attached this probe to the GPU.
http://www.bestbyteinc.com/prodinfo.asp?number=SEN-CNU-001
The bridge chip uses a thin foil thermal pad, which I replaced with Artic Silver Ceramique. The GPU heatsink uses what I think is a thick thermal compound, it didin't come off like a pad. It might also have some silver content because of it's grayish color. There are four approx. 1/16" white thermal pads for the memory.
I don't think both of the heatsinks are copper. Because when I removed the heatsink I could see in the threads of where the support arms get screwed into and it wasn't the same color as copper. I think they are copper colored anodized aluminum or maybe even copper covered aluminum if that is even possible. My best guess is they are not copper. The color is slightly wrong to be true copper.
To take the main heatsink off.
You need to press down slightly on one side of the back support bar and swing if off of the post. If you look at the support bar both ends are different. One side has little metal nubs that need to clear the post to swing it off. The other end is shaped like a C and just rides on the groove in the other post.
After you take off that bar, there is another flat bar that has a pad in the middle to protect the components. That bar just lifts straight up and off the posts. Remember which way you took it off, it is very important. The components make litte dents in the pad. So putting it back on the exact same way fits the components in the same dents they made when the bar was first installed.
Once you have both support bars removed, you need a flat screwdriver to unscrew both posts from the heatsink. At this point I don't believe the heatink is attached anymore to the board even with the posts still attached. Once you take off the posts flip the card over holding the heatsink as you do so. I gently twisted the heatsink and it came right off. You need to unplug the fan at this point.
I took four copper slugs around the size of a penny, and thinned them down to get the right height of the pads. The pads were removed to be replaced by the copper slugs. It took a very long time to do this. I would take one and rest it on the memory. Then I would use a small straight edge ruler to test the height with the GPU. The copper slugs have to be at the same exact height or slightly lower then the GPU or the heatsink will not make proper contact with the GPU.
What I found by doing this is, without having the support bar on the video card the GPU is not on a flat plane to the memory chips. So thinning the slugs down the right height was hard to do because of this.
Once I got the slugs down to the right height I used Arctic Silver thermal epoxy to glue each one to the memory. After that I used the Artic Silver Ceramique on the GPU and on the copper slugs. Then I attached the thermal probe with a little dab of Artic Silver Ceramique on the tip to contact the side of the GPU. I used double sided thermal tape to stick the probe to the board and to the area on the side of the GPU.
I then re-attached the heatsink in the reverse order I removed it. I checked under the heatsink with a light and everything looked like it was making good contact.
My idle temp with the probe is around 34C, stressing the card with benchmarks the highest I have seen it is around 55C.
The copper slugs didn't really gain me all that much overclocking the memory, but that could just be the memory has reached its limits. The copper slugs will probably help the memory last a little longer then the pads. I wouldn't suggest using the slugs to anyone. It is just too much work, a lot of risk and doesn't really gain you anything.

Quote from: akeer on 16-February-05, 18:17:49
fw off, agp set to 4x.... many times tried this with various drivers (also setting the 2d and 3d speed to the same and many other trix...)
also tried to unplug devices... no help.... as I said if I help the cooling with really biiiiiiig fan underneath the card, it will not freeze... but 12cm fan at full speed generates looooooots of noise ))
it seems that aftermarket cooling (e.g. Zalman vf700cu) is the only solution
thanx and have a nice day
Here is something I just thought of. There are a lot of components on the board. There might a possibility one of them is not working very well when it heats up.
The GPU could also be overheating, but you have to understand something here.
The 6600GT has automatic core slowdown if it gets too hot so how could you have damaaged it? If you didn't put on enough thermal compound or the heatsink wasn't tight enough the core would slowdown to protect itself from heat damage.
If it was damaged by heat going by everything I know so far, it would probably only be damaged in the first few seconds right after you turn the computer on, but even then that would probably only happen if there was no heatsink attached at all.
Another thing to consider. I have an idle temperature of around 34C using the probe, the internal temperature would be slightly higher so lets say it's around 40C. The highest load temperature I have seen has been around 55C with the probe, so lets say inside its around 60C inside.
Those temperatures using the stock heatsink are very good. So what I am saying is even if you get a new heatsink, it might lower the temperature a bit on the card...but I doubt it will help with any heat related problems your describing.
If that stock "heatsink is on correctly" it should be more then enough to keep the card cool.
Maybe you should take the chance and flash the bios so you can see the actual internal temperature of the card. At this point it really doesn't matter because you can't return it anyway, but there is always a slight risk flashing a bios.
There is a forum here that will explain flashing the bios if you decide to do it.
http://www.mvktech.net

MSI FX5200TDR128 AGP problem

Hello members
I am running winXP SP1, DX9 and my motherboard is ASUS P4PE
The problem is that: AGP is set to 4X in BIOS but my card (FX5200TDR128) dont have AGP support.
To display settings tab "MSI Information'' checkbox is "AGP Traffic Enable": nothing check and ''SBA Enable'':nothing check
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Running Celeron 1.2Ghz CPU on a MSI 6163Pro v2.0

Hi,
I've been running the following system for three years now and am planning an upgrade of the CPU:
MSI 6163-Pro v2.0 (FSB at 133mhz and AGP divider at 1/4) 3.10 bios (latest)
Slot 1 PIII 550 CPU overclocked to 733mhz (133mhz FSB) - running rock solid all this time as it has a whopping big heatsink and two big fans on it
784mb of Kingmax low profile PC133 SDRAM
GeForce 2 MX 440 v/c
Creative Soundblaster Live DE SE s/c
assorted NIC's, and other cards, hdd's, drives, etc
I have picked up a generic OEM socket 370 -> slot 1 slocket and am considering putting the fastest socket 370 CPU that I can find into it (Celeron Tualatin 1.3Ghz CPU).
The 6163Pro should accept the slocket and the slocket will handle the 1.3 GHz CPU, but I have not been able to find any information as to whether the 6163Pro will accept the tualatin 1.3Ghz CPU on the slocket?
The CPU runs at a default of 100mhz FSB. If the mobo will run it at that speed, I plan to try overclocking it back up to 133mhz FSB through using a Pep66 Alpha cooler, again using the AGP divider of 1/4.
My question is, has anyone tried running a tualatin CPU in a slocket on the MSI 6163Pro v2 before? Will it work, or is there any reason why it cannot work? Do you think that the overclock will work?
Is there anything I need to be aware of (apart from the usual - voltage, heat, voiding warranty, etc)?
Regards
Anakha

I went into my BIOS and noted the following:
CPU Plug & Play III
Award Software v3.10
CPU speed: 733mhz
CPU multiplier: 5.5
CPU/PCI Frequency: 133 / 33mhz (On)
As the PCI frequency = the AGP frequency, the BIOS would appear to have a 1/4 divider. Is this an unsupported feature?
The upgradeware slocket that I mentioned in my previous post is significantly cheaper than the Powerleap one and from reading through several threads in the http://www.overclockers.com.au Intel forum, there are many happy users of it (upgradeware).
The upgradeware website lists the MSI 6163Pro v2.0 as being compatible with the slot-t slocket, so I will buy one and some 1.3/1.g Ghz tualatin celerons and let you know how it goes (will be travelling for a while, so it will probably take me 6 wks to get back to you about it).
Regards,
Anakha

Msi 6600gt agp not working on epox mobo ?

I have this mobo (http://www.epox.nl/products/view.php?product_id=420).
I bought a msi 6600gt agp card and installed it in this pc, when i tried to boot up the pc all the fans including the cards were spinning.
But nothing else seemed to get power, dvd drives and hard drives didn't get any power.
Now somebody said to me that the card needs 0.8 volts and that ly mobo only supports 1.5 volts.
I'm not sure if this is true, so thats why i post here and i hope someone can help me out with this.
thx in advance

Quote from: polokus on 20-November-05, 06:18:08
My old one is a 5600 fx and that one works.
I changed power suply to a 400 watt cause i thought it was that, no change.
We plugged it in another machine and there it boots, someone said to me that it is my agp slot that is not giving the right amount of voltage.
greetz
It may very well still be the power supply. Stating using a 400w power supply means absolutely nothing these daysPower Supply Guide
And, as Overvolt suggested, it might be a good idea to look into the BIOS for your motherboard....
So after you read the link I gave, let's have the specs on that power supply you tried, and what was in the other machine?

MSI Kt6 and NEW Msi 6600GT AGP will not boot up!

My Girlfriend's computer.
I put this new video card in today MSI 6600GT AGP .For the 2nd time.
It frezzing up at startup on this screen....
"GO TO SET UP ...Press F11 , F10 ,Tab: LOGO Ckecking NVRAM..."
I rma the 1st one . Now 2nd 6600 Gt card samething.frezzing up too.
This time I put it in my PC, MSI K8T Neo, 3000 64 processor (Socket 754)
It worked Great!!!
6600GT power cord is hooked up.
So it must be the motherboard?
The 6600Gt card box
MIN.System Requirements ,On the MSI BOX
DOESNT SAY ,You might need to Flash your BIOS!!!!
Ive never flash a bios,To SCARY!!!
MSI KT6 Delta-FISR ....5.10 bios
AMD Barton 2500XP
512 2700 333
True Blue 430 PS
CD burner
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40 gig
I love MSI , Ive built 15 pcs, ALL with MSI motherboards!
Thanks
G

Hello!
Don't think you have to flash the BIOS. Nor do I think there is a problem with the mobo.
Two main reasons for boot problems are:
PSU with not enough grunt - please say something about it.
Memory timings are too tight - don't have any special or ultra settings.
The power cable has not been attached to the graphics card - don't know really if it is needed but I think so.
Please note that a weak PSU might not reveal itself til the power cable is connected.
About flashing BIOS, if you use the LiveUpdate program that came on the MSI install CD, it is no more trouble than upgrading any driver. But please make sure you get the right BIOS, and that it solves the issue you got.

Getting a replacement fan & heatsink module for my MSI NX6800GT (agp)

Hi all,
I got a bit of a problem, the fan on my MSI NX6800GT (agp) sounds like a dog, after removing the card and having a look, it appears that the spindle that holds the fan in place has worn out (the fan seems to drop down onto the plastic and thats what is making the noise) . Its buggered basically. Do any of you fine people know of where I can get a decent replacement fan and heatsink?
All help appreciated
John

OK, I ordered one of those nv silencers, I thought about contacting MSI like you guys said but after reading about this product I thought what the hell . . . £20 but worth it.
http://www.gladiatorcomputers.com/ProductDetail.aspx?StockCode=ACCARTREV4NVS53&Link=SearchResults
It came yesterday, so last night I installed it, fitted well, one small thing on the instructions, there is an "L" shaped metal bracket called a passive heatsink plate, now I know my **** from my elbow but could I work out where this was supposed to go? . . . NO.
Anyway it appears that I dont need this bit, why cant they just say "this bit is optional". Kinda scary fitting stuff like this when youre as green as me.
Anyway, all went well. Thank you all.
Regards
John

Msi 6600gt Agp + Win Xp

Hey guys,
Just brought an msi 6600gt agp and it is awsome...
Having a bit of trouble with the D.O.T software.
It seems that i have enabled it, i try to change the core and memory speeds and
save settings. I log out of xp and log back in to check if the setting have saved
and they have. But, everytime i restart the computer it just goes back to the
default settings. Is this normal?
The other thing is if i use o/c tools like coolbits, can i still enable d.o.t so that my
card is not clocked when i'm on my desktop surfing?
Thanks in advance,
Pooki3

oops..
sorry i didn't make my self clear. I also unticked the d.o.t feature and bumped the
core and memory.. saved it and restarted the computer again...
It just goes back to defaults again...
Anyone got the same issue?
Pookie

MSI 6600GT AGP running HOT!

Hi guys,
i did the "enable temp monitoring" BIOS mod on my MSI 6600GT AGP video card and it worked fine. But now i'm a little bit concerned about the high temp readings i get. Idle temps are around ~55°C and ~81°C while playing games. Look at the attached pic.
Is this to high? What are your MSI 6600GT AGP temps?
BTW: System is rockstable, no crashes and no visual artifacts. I've used "RivaTuner" to log the temps: http://www.guru3d.com/rivatuner/

Here`s my max temp for MSI NX6600GT agp.
Yours seems a little high. Maybe you need more ventilation. I removed my HSF and applied artic silver 5. Also removed the thermal pads off mem chips--they caused the HSF to not sit flat on GPU.

MSI 6600GT AGP - Measured fan voltage

I wanted to know exactly what was going on with the fan on my MSI 6600GT AGP so I measured the voltage. The fan runs at a constant 12 volts even under load. No matter what temperature the card is the fan runs at full rpm's.
I'm not sure if this a change from earlier revisions, because this is my second 6600GT. The fan on the first one seemed to vary the fan speed going by what I heard, but I never had a chance to actually measure it. So I could be mistaken and it also was running at full rpm's all the time.

Quote from: Glenn on 27-February-05, 07:49:55
I had the exact same thing happen with my X800 but in reverse, the one I currently have seems to vary fan speed, I can tell at startup, the fan is pretty loud, at first I thought it was my burner but after investigation, I see that it is my card. My son has the other one and it runs constant, but it isn't much louder as I remember. He has case fans that are louder.
For me, it's a no care item. That may be a different story for you.
I'm glad it is running constant because if it wasn't I was ready to mod it. It's not loud at full voltage either so its better all around IMO.

MOVED: How to set AGP so my MSI 6600GT (AGP) is stable?

This topic has been moved to Overclocking and Modding Corner Forum.
How to set AGP so my MSI 6600GT (AGP) is stable?

Quote from: jlpicard1412 on 27-February-05, 07:08:30
OK, that's the question .... how do I make my system stable if I overclock the CPU and want the graphics card stable too ... boils down to the AGP clock ... what do I need to do ... motherboard is K8T800 Neo 2 .... what about Cell Menu settings?
Tried using 3dmark2001 and 03 ... neither worked.
I thought standard AGP was 66MHz .....
JLP
Yes standard is 66MHz.
I did a little bit of research on your motherboard as far as I know it has AGP spped lock. Which means no matter how you set the speed of your CPU, the AGP should always stay at 66Mhz. There might be a manual override in the bios to raise it higher then 66, but you don't really gain anything raising it higher then 66Mhz.
I also read your motherboard might have problems keeping it locked at 66Mhz. So you might want to check to see if they have released any bios updates.
Most nVidia cards will work fine with higher then 66 so your problems might be something else. I'm not saying to set it higher I'm just saying they usually don't have problems running on a faster AGP bus.

[Please Help]Does MSI Axis 945G support intel core2 duo T7600?

I have an idle CPU intel core2 duo T7600,so I am considering buying an AXIS 945GM to let it work.
I have a question ,does MSI Axis 945G support intel core2 duo T7600?
I checked the CPU suppot list on MSI website,I just found it suppots upto T7400.
Can I flash the new BIOS v1.23 to support T7600?
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According to the CPU Support List, this won't help. The best thing to do would be to contact MSI Technical Support. Maybe they can give you a more definate answer:
http://ocss.msi.com.tw/

MSI Prescott CPU Support List (FSB800, 1M L2)

finally...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mainboards/display/20031215133027.html
and
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_cpu_support_detail.php?UID=proscott

At last, a clear answer from MSI, after 6 months of waiting
MSI Prescott CPU Support List (FSB800, 1M L2)
Chipset_Model Board_Name BIOS_Version Prescott_Support
Intel® 875P 875P Neo-LSR/-FIS2R AMI 1.8 YES
Intel® 865PE 865PE Neo2-PS/-PLS/-PFISR AMI 3.2 YES
Intel® 865PE 865PE Neo2-S/-LS/-FIS2R AMI 1.9 YES
MSI P4 Extreme Edition Support List (FSB800, 2M L3)
Chipset_Model Board_Name BIOS_Version Prescott_Support
Intel® 875P 875P Neo-LSR/-FIS2R AMI 1.8 YES
Intel® 865PE 865PE Neo2-PS/-PLS/-PFISR AMI 3.2 YES
Intel® 865PE 865PE Neo2-S/-LS/-FIS2R AMI 1.9 YES
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Now to save up for the CPU upgrade, the probable PSU upgrade, probably a better HSF or CPU cooling system, memory, etc...
But how can I test my system upgrade readiness before the 1 yr warranty expires?

MSI NX6600 AGP Card & MSI 7008, VIA PT880 Motherboard Compatible?

Hello all!
Need a little help today.
I have a MSI NX6600 AGP Card & MSI 7008, VIA PT880 Motherboard that are giving me some headaches.If I try any NVIDIA driver above version 71.25 the graphics (2d and 3d) are very badly distorted. The desktop screen is unreadable and any software I try to run looks warped and garbled. I am using an Antec case with a 350w Antec PSU. Both the motherboard and video card are from MSI. This is the second video card I try, I RMA'd the first one. If I use an older AGP card (Ti4200) all graphics display perfectly. Is there something I can do to fix the problem? Is there a compatibility problem between the VIA chip and the NVIDIA 6600 chip?
I'd appreciate a push in the right direction!
Thanks!

Hi!
There seems to be some problems with certain setups, see: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=3612
I had these 2d-issues with 6600GT and RMA'd the card, hope I'll get newer revision... none of the fixes helped.
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XPSP2

Is MSI P6N Diamond supports EPP(Memory)

I got this CORSAIR TWIN2X2048-8500C5D 1066MHz and it has EPP (Sli ready ram). On CPUid SPD, i see JEDEC1(266), JEDEC2(400) and EPP(533).
On default setting for the bios it registered as 800Mhz only using JEDEC2 5-5-5-18 (1.8v).
The memory specification says 5-5-5-15 (2.1v)
Is the board MSI P6N Diamond supports EPP?
I googled it and it s clearly says that Nvidia nForce SLI Boards/Corsair supports EPP and highly recommended for stability.
Anyways i manually set the memory to its specification.

i set it to EPP settings manualy 5-5-5-15-22-2t 2.1 v..
boards with true EPP settings http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/FoxconnC51XEM2AA/7.html
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I think the P6N diamond doesnt have the feature using EPP.
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