MSI 648 max problems, please help

Just put a new machine together and I am having some problems, hopefully someone can help.
My machine seems to run pretty stable in OS, but dies when any game is played. It will crash anywhere from 2 minutes - 45 minutes in the game. Ive tried several games: C&C generals, unreal2, etc with the same results.
Bios are updated and nothing is overclocked. Win XP is fully updated.
Specs:
MSI 648 max, 533fsb
p4 2.4 northwood
Seagate 80gig hd 7200rpm
MSI g4 ti4200
2 - 512mb pc2700 ddr333 dims (double sided)
Antec 350w ps
sb live
48x liteon cdrw
16x liteon dvd
We are using a Kingwin KT-436S-WM case
http://www.kingwin.com/product.asp?cid=15&pid=75
It has a total of 5 fans with intake/exhaust
HSF currently being used is the retail box HSF
With the case sides on, here are temps at idle after 10 minutes in OS:
Proc: 136
System: 91
Vid card: 118
With the case sides off, here are temps after running 10+ minutes in OS:
Proc: 125
System: 86
Vid card: 114
Here is the error that pops up (after crashing) when playing Command and Conquer: Generals:
Technical Difficulties
Sorry a serious error occured
Thanks in advance

Well my roomate cancelled the memory test after 12 hours, so I dont know those results.
I do know that after removing 1 of the DIMMS, the machine seemed to be stable playing games.
I sure wish MSI would have stated it only accepted 1 double sided DIMM.. especially when the reccomend Kingston ram, which is double sided......
Me and my roomate BOTH bought this motherboard, while my roomate only bought 2 DIMMS of 512, I bought 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So now it looks like we need to return these motherboards and get new ones... I HAVENT EVEN GOT MINE OUT THE BOX!!!!!!!!
Any reccomendations on an MSI motherboard (or any) that support double sided DIMMS? I am looking for 3 slots...
thanks...
Any other advise on how to get this motherboard to work with all this ram would help too, so we dont have to RMA through newegg....
Anyone from MSI read this board?????
X( :O ?(

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