MSI 648 Max with AGP X8 - BIOS update

I have replaced my old AGP card with Radeon 9550 256MB for use with my new Dell 20" WS monitor.
Every time, after starting or during 3DMark03, it crashed back to desktop and sometimes retarting my pc. I try ram settings, aperature etc with no luck. My pc has TrueBlue 480 watt PSU and the voltage reading is good.
In the end, I searched this forum and found out it was the problem with AGP X8 so I changed it to AGP X4 via ATI control panel, my pc went through 3Dmark03 with no problems at all. AGP X4 works flawless.
Regarding BIOS - my motherboard is SIS 648 MAX-L HT ready (Hyper-threading) and its latest BIOS version is v3.1. I'm just wondering that is my board exactly the same as non-HT 648 MAX board physically? Since they use same chipset with same layout and also because I noticed the BIOS update for non-HT version is different with v1.5 and has the fix for Radeon 9700 problem which could be related to my problem. Since I'm using Pentium 4 2.53Ghz, Hyper-threading is a useless feature, could I flash my board with this BIOS?
Thanks in advance

Quote from: Stu on 23-September-06, 05:23:39
then leave it at that then. the actual real-life performance difference between 4X and 8X is negligible
Thanks, just asking...I guess I answered my own question!

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Originally posted by zardoz66
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Error404,
I since you have a 648 Max and you posted in the Multimedia Forum, I moved the thread to PIV Motherboard Forum for you.
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I got it working (100% no crashes) today on windows 2k adv server:
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Me and my roomate BOTH bought this motherboard, while my roomate only bought 2 DIMMS of 512, I bought 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Its a good idea, but the RAM that I use is the same thats worked fine in the computer earlier. Its DDR DIMM 3100 TwinMOS, and thats a good stuff if I know it right?.
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Support Hyper Threading..
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=417&MODEL=MS-6585
Doesn't Support...
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=355&MODEL=MS-6585
-rob

648 max pci/agp optinn

Dear Sir,
My system is:
Msi 648 MAX ver1.1 HT ready
Intel P4 2.4Ghz 512KB bus 100 Mhz
Msi MX440SE-T AGP 64MB DDR
WD 80GB 7200 HDD
Samsung 52-24-52 CD-RW
Creative modem blaster v.90 di5655
P.S. Logic 300W
Win 98SE & WinXp
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This option doesn't work, and my clue is
1- When I adjust my CPU FSB more than 110 MHz (PCI > 36.66 MHZ) and this option to 66/33 the computer boots normally until it starts loading the O.S. and errors saying that the OS cannot start due to lost system files, or Read Write error to Aux device, or it hangs.
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The DMI of this board which report wrong information either by your included DMI program or by any other software like Sandra Software for the following items:
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2- Supported memory voltage: 3.3V (2.5v manual page. 2-5)
3- Number of memory slots: 4 slots ( There are only 3 slots)
4- PCI slots: 5 ( There are 6 slots)
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PC spec. below.....message
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