MSI 7220 (Diamond Plus) and 7800GT/7900GT issue

So I bought the Diamond Plus and the MSI NX7800GT a few weeks ago. Everything set up fine, no problems. I start playing some games, mostly City of Heroes/Villains, and I notice a graphics issue. Objects in the distance are "Z-fighting". It looks as if the Z-buffer's precision is low. I have tried AquaMark3 and I get the same issue, low z-buffer precision. So I sent the video card back, got an EVGA 7900GT. I still have the same exact issue, which never gets better/worse, the problem is always exactly the same. I have tried the card in both PCIe 16x slots and have done a full RAM test. Bios is 3.0A (no difference with 1.0 or 1.16)
Can anyone out there with this Mobo and a 7800GT or 7900GT run AquaMark3 (http://download.guru3d.com/aquamark3/) in demo mode. The demo starts out following a ship, in a few seconds you go up and over a tiny hill and see a vast scene in front of you. Off in the distance, do you see geometry intersecting in an odd way?
I've not noticed any problems in Quake4, Doom3 or 3Dmark, so maybe it's a DirectX only issue. This is extremely frustrating, because I can't imagine what the problem could be. System is completely stable and I have no other problems.
Thanks in advance if anyone out there tries the demo

Quote from: Grouse on 13-April-06, 00:53:42
OI,
As you can see from my sig i have a similar set up. I use antec PSU. The issues your talking about are Likely due to a combination of things not Just one.
First of all are you setting your nvid drivers to the game you are using instead of global settings.
Also what are your amp ratings on your PSU.
Also what are running in your back ground. How many processes?
Have you defragged that drive since your last install?
Have you run dxdiag?
are you using the latest dx version? One came out just recently.
I appreciate all the feedback guys, and as far as these questions, I have tried on 2 clean installs (winxp pro, and winxp x64), and have the same problem. Nothing else running whatsoever, everything updated, etc. It's got to be a hardware issue, and since it's a graphics problem that I've experienced with 2 cards, you guys must be right, it must not be getting enough power. I chose this PSU because Tom's Hardware used it in their test setup with this board (didn't realize it was such a sensative issue). I'll keep messing with it for another day or so. I'll be quite happy if it's just the PSU and I don't have to send the mobo in for replacement.
Thanks again

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MSI 7220 Diamond Plus - latest board revision?

Hi,
I am wondering about the latest board revision of the 7220. Today it is 1.0 on the German MSI website while it was 1.1 the whole time until yesterday. On other MSI websites there is no revision statement at all.
Is there anybody having a Diamond Plus with revision 1.1 or was it just a mistake on the German site?
Thanks!

Quote from: Grouse on 13-April-06, 00:53:42
OI,
As you can see from my sig i have a similar set up. I use antec PSU. The issues your talking about are Likely due to a combination of things not Just one.
First of all are you setting your nvid drivers to the game you are using instead of global settings.
Also what are your amp ratings on your PSU.
Also what are running in your back ground. How many processes?
Have you defragged that drive since your last install?
Have you run dxdiag?
are you using the latest dx version? One came out just recently.
I appreciate all the feedback guys, and as far as these questions, I have tried on 2 clean installs (winxp pro, and winxp x64), and have the same problem. Nothing else running whatsoever, everything updated, etc. It's got to be a hardware issue, and since it's a graphics problem that I've experienced with 2 cards, you guys must be right, it must not be getting enough power. I chose this PSU because Tom's Hardware used it in their test setup with this board (didn't realize it was such a sensative issue). I'll keep messing with it for another day or so. I'll be quite happy if it's just the PSU and I don't have to send the mobo in for replacement.
Thanks again

Incompatibility between Diamond Plus and EVGA 7900GT series?

Hello again!
I began to wonder if there might be a problem with my video card. I am almost sure that MSI with nForce4 doesn't make a good team with EVGA 7900 GT CO SC.
I know that the SuperClocked model has problems (mine has also), but the problem is this one: my 3dmark06 scores are in the 3800..4700 range. It's just random. I always ran the tests in the same conditions (stopped antivirus, etc. and all other background/real time processes that could be stopped).
I saying that this is an incompatibility because I know another person that has a MSI nForce4 board (not my model) and a SuperClocked EVGA 7900GT and he experiences the same problems.
I'm sure that this is not an OS/drivers related problems. I carefully installed all "things".
If you have any sugestions please shoot...
I guess I should be thinking about changing my video card, because I like too much the mobo.
The guy that helped me OC my rig, measured the Vcore and it was exactly 1,399 V. And it stayed that way. The multimeter was a brand one, so I trust his measurements. He told me that this is the most stable Vcore that he has seen in his life. Even DFI doesn't have such a stable Vcore. And he also compared the measurements with the BIOS settings, and he said that the mobo is over-volting. For having a 1,4 measured Vcore, I had to se 1,35V in BIOS.
If you had seen this problems before, please input here.
As you already know, your help is greatly appreciated.
Thank you!

Yes, I tried to run the tests without OC and the results remained unchanged for the shaders.
I'm 90% sure that this is an incompatibility issue because I had tried today my video card in two other computers and it ran smoothly. It even supported 568/1840 (550/1580 are the stock freqs, as you already know). Those computers were having Asus A8NE and DFI Ultra-D mobos.
Sooo... this is an incompatibility between MSI with nForce4 and EVGA 7900 series.
I generalize because I know another guy with another mobo from MSI with nForce4 SLI (the simple SLI, not X16 like Diamond Plus) which preferred to change his EVGA video card with a Leadtek.
Don't believe me? No problem, it's your money and your time.
But... If you want no headackes, don't mix MSI with nForce4 and EVGA 7900 series.
Btw, the guy with the DFI board that I was writing about earlier, was the technician that is working at the store from where I bought the EVGA.
Boy... poor little man... you should have seen his face when I told him about the problems with the video card... When no problems were found after testing it, you should have seen my face... Boy... I was so ashamed...
All in all, it would be a great thing if MSI would launch more often BIOSes for their/our mobos... Preferably stable BIOSes, where you don't see things "dissapearing". I paid 240$ for this mobo in my country...
Bas, don't get me wrong. I love this mobo and I would not change it for anything else, but I feel that it's true potential is not fully used; like a car equiped with a powerfull engine, but because of a poor designed ECU, it doesn't put all its horses on the ground.
I repeat, I am not arguing with any one, I had just written my wishes.
Cheers!

Power supply needed for MS-7220 (Diamond Plus) and others.

The following statement is taken form the K8B Diamond Plus Manual.
For ATX 12V power connection, it should be greater than 18A.
If I am interpreting correctly, the ATX 12V connector should have dedicated to it a minimum of 18A.
My first, question is if the Power Supply has two or more rails, how do you know the power dedicated to the ATX 12 connector on the Power Supply?
Second, if a +12V rail is not dedicated the connector, how do you know what is connected to each rail of the Power Supply?
This maybe the source of why many are saying, they have more stable system performance when using single rail Power Supplies.
I have tried eleven different manufactures to get more detailed Power Supply specifications, but no responses; today through February 1st is the Chinese New Year.
Those of you running the K8B Diamond Plus, what are you using for Power Supplies and are you having any instability problem?
One thing I did find curious was that going the manuals and in most all of the newer Socket 939 motherboards have this specification, but nothing in the motherboards specifications of on the MSI Web Site about this required and the are a lot of 500-600 Watt power supplies sold that do not meet this specification.
The statement Total Wattage does not mean a thing has even more meaning to me now.
Are we going to have to know the Current Rating of each cable on the output of a Power Supply now to insure we are purchasing the correct Power Supply?
Roger

Roger
Ihave a Tagan 580w U22 with switchable dual/combined +12v rails and it is very stable,set it combined for 35a.
Only thing to ponder was the 4/8 pin +12v/p4 connector,power supply has the correct split 2x4pin connectors so does the board but there is a little removable cover over 4 pins,so thinking MSI fitted it there for a reason I have fitted only one 4 pin connector,no problems as yet.
Think you may well have a point re the 18a.
I have just given my son my old sli platinum/cpu/heatsink/ram/vga card,this setup ran 250/11/4 @ 1.4v & ram 2.5 3 3 7 1.1 @ 2.75v with the Tagan.this setup now fitted in his case but with a dual 18a rail Enermax and he can't o/c stable to the old settings.Case has better cooling than the wavemaster it all came from.
Dont think the enermax is bad just that it supplies the power a different way.
Regards
Rossoevo

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*** I don't want to open another topic so I'll post here ***
Can anyone please recommend a 2x1GB kit compatible with MS-7220 and runs in at least DDR-500 mode?
I'm about to complete my rig and I don't know what RAM to buy.
My options are:
*** GSkill F1-4000BIU2-2GBHV PC4000 3-3-2-8 (Dual Channel) 2048MB kit (2x1024MB) dual channel pack *** NOT in my country
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I heard that there are some problems with the BIOS on MS-7220. Will I be able to run the memory at DDR-500? On what BIOS version?
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MSI K8N Diamond Plus Question

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Thanks

Quote from: nanohead on 15-February-06, 00:23:59
I've got an XP-90 installed and there is plenty of room. Plenty of airflow also. I'm at a constant 31-36 celsius, so no worries on the CPU. This cooler is large, I had it on an Asus A8V deluxe, an Abit AN8 SLI and now on the MSI K8N Diamond Plus, and its basically located on the same place regardless of mobo, so I wouldnt worry too much about it.
I did'nt mean that it has a massive effect on the temps, although comparing your rig to my last (AN8 Ultra, 3700 @ 2.7) my temps never went above 32'c idle and 44'c loaded!!
I meant that the airflow in my case struggles a little because the exhaust fan is right next to the hs and I cannot operate it the other way round due to my ram hs being so bloody large <damn you Corsair!!>
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I just got the motherboard wehn i overclock and restart the PC either from windows or BIOS etc. The PC will not boot and have to turn it off then turn back on. Apart from this annoying issue it's a great board better theen my A8N SLi Premium mostly due to the extra CPU voltage yay :D Is anyone else getting this issue?
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Quote from: Henry on 11-March-10, 12:41:52
It is to laugh Ha, Ha, I just sold an X2 4200+ on eBay Friday and it fetched $56 USD. That's only $20 less than I paid for it 2 or 3 years ago.
I've got an opteron 185 that I'll trade for a Big Bang Fuzion...

MSI K8N Diamond Plus - Guide to my first week

OK, not a newb here, but been around the block quite a bit. MSI K8N Diamond Plus is my 5th A64 mobo (ECS K8M800, my daily undestroyed computer, K8T800, my 12 year olds gamer, Asus A8V Deluxe, first 939 system, Abit AN8 SLI, first SLI gamer, and now the MSI Diamond Plus). Had the KDP (K8N Diamond Plus) for more than a week now, and here's what I've learned.
This is state of the art again, and we have no one to blame but ourselves for the pain this causes us when we upgrade like lunatics
And as usual, the drivers and BIOS are al Dente (i.e. not cooked enought yet, a little raw)
MSI is also oddly silent on this system, which is wierd, as they are a large company, and specifically cater to enthusiasts. But their BIOS guys are MIA. Hopefully this will not be forever. Asus, ABIT, DFI, Epox are always fast with fixes
The board is a nice design, with everything basically accessible, as much as any other board. Lots of purposeful components, not too many dumb frills. No tooty fruity colors, but rather practical parts.
The new 2 piece NForce chipset is fine, and the MSI guys gave us a decent, but funky cooler. It gets a little warm to the touch when you pound on it with Prime95, or Quake4, but other than that it is fine
The manual has a zillion typos, and fortunately for us in this forum, we have shared what we've learned. The translation from Chinese to English leaves quite a bit to be desired, and hopefully, MSI will learn from Asus and Abit and get a better translation service. In 2006 this is just plain stupid, especially with a $225 board
As usual, the mobo supplied tweaker utilities are just aweful. They look like a hallucination from a Hunter S Thompson book, and they work about as well. Core center is a sad state of affairs, and the rest of them just burrow their way into your otherwise stable system and cause it to have poor behavior. And therefore as usual, the BIOS is the best way, if slowest, to tweak this bundle of parts
Which brings us to the BIOS. IMHO, the worst one I've seen on a high end board. ZERO explanation for half the settings (this is not strange in and of itself, BIOS is still a black art, but in a tweakers board, we should have some basic explanation )
There seem to be adequate settings in the BIOS for all sorts of doodads and gizmos, but who the heck knows what half of them are. Roger points out rightfully, that we now need to "Tune" across all these different intermediary bus structures and test. But with the lack of info from either NVidia, MSI or anyone else for that matter, its kinda hard to know where to start.
The board is clearly sensitive, which is a result of it being high strung. This is no different than any "first out" product I've ever bought. Most take 2 or 3 turns of the crank to get totally stable and forgiving. This one hated my OCZ platinum EL 2Gb kit memory, and it brought out the worst in one of the SLI based EVGA 7800 GT COs. These components worked in the Abit AN8 SLI (although not always great), but the MSI has ZERO tolerance for even the slightest pertubation from the memory. It was BSOD city until I removed both of these components by process of elimination that took probably 100 hours
Once I removed the bad components, and replaced the memory with Geil Ultra X 2x512 2-2-2-5, it worked great, ran Prime95 for 10 hours with no errors, and seems reasonably stable. I've RMA-d the bad 7800GT CO back to EVGA, and will report back on how SLI behaves when I get the new one (cross shipped of course, I haveno patience )
I also now need to replace the 2Gb RAM kit with something that the board will tolerate. I may RMA the 2Gb kit back to OCZ and try another one, but I dunno. I love OCZ but I have a bad feeling about this, even though they have great!!! support. I may try OCZ PC4000 or the RAM that Roger successfully used.
I did upgrade to the 1.16 BIOS, and found that some new things were added, as well as voltage control in Cell was a little better, but registration of changes in voltage is still a disaster. I adjusted a bunch of times, it didn't register, and I ended up smoking a new A64 3700+ Diego with 1.95 volts, even though the BIOS claimed it was 1.53. I had to rebot to see what was going on. The Thermalright XP-90 kept the proc from melting down through the earth
Finally, I hope this board attracts more people, and therefore more tweakers that can figure out all these gadgets and settings. Everyone flocked to the Asus X16 SLI product, which is too bad, as this one needs lots o' folks to hack it up for us to figure out what is going on.
The on board Creative audio sounds lousy to my ears, and I will replace it with an Audigy 2ZS gamer that I had in the Abit. It just sounds better, but hopefully the drivers will not trash my newly stable system. Creative scares me, they scare me alot.
I've been able to get the CPU up to 2.4Ghz, with a .5 volt bump to the CPU and 2.9 volts into the Geil memory. So far, so stable, no smoke coming out yet
I hope this info is somewhat valuable to someone on this board. I will post details of all changes that I make, as others are doing, so we can at least take care of ourselves with this thing.

Quote from: nanohead on 15-February-06, 01:17:10
Which brings us to the BIOS. IMHO, the worst one I've seen on a high end board. ZERO explanation for half the settings (this is not strange in and of itself, BIOS is still a black art, but in a tweakers board, we should have some basic explanation )
There seem to be adequate settings in the BIOS for all sorts of doodads and gizmos, but who the heck knows what half of them are. Roger points out rightfully, that we now need to "Tune" across all these different intermediary bus structures and test. But with the lack of info from either NVidia, MSI or anyone else for that matter, its kinda hard to know where to start.
first of all, i do think that all the settings in the BIOS have an explanation in the manual, even if it's a basic one. if that explanation doesn't tell you everything in detail, is because if you do need a detailed explanation of the settings, you probably shouldn't be messing around with those settings.
Quote from: nanohead on 15-February-06, 01:17:10
I did upgrade to the 1.16 BIOS, and found that some new things were added, as well as voltage control in Cell was a little better, but registration of changes in voltage is still a disaster. I adjusted a bunch of times, it didn't register, and I ended up smoking a new A64 3700+ Diego with 1.95 volts, even though the BIOS claimed it was 1.53. I had to rebot to see what was going on. The Thermalright XP-90 kept the proc from melting down through the earth.
wanna tell me how did you get 1.95V on that mobo?
Quote from: nanohead on 15-February-06, 01:17:10
I've been able to get the CPU up to 2.4Ghz, with a .5 volt bump to the CPU and 2.9 volts into the Geil memory. So far, so stable, no smoke coming out yet
a 0.5V bump? again, you must be joking. maybe 0.05V.

Soundblaster Audigy on MSI K8N Diamond Plus, Sound Linked? vs Audigy2 ZS?

Had a couple of quick questions regarding the Soundblaster Audigy onboard chip on my MSI K8N Diamond Plus. I have the audio connected to a front panel, and when I try and change the Right or Left speaker volume balance in Windows (by going to volume control and dragging the balance slider right or left), the volume slider goes down and the balance slider snaps back to center. As in my previous post, I had some damage to my front panel connector pins and wanted to make sure this wasn't a hardware issue requiring a replacement of the board.
Also, I have a Soundblaster Audigy2 ZS card from my previous system, and I was wondering if it added anything the onboard Soundblaster chip doesn't provide. I was thinking of installing it, but if the onboard audio does everything the card would, I'd rather just use the onboard solution.
Thanks.

Quote from: syar2003 on 21-August-06, 06:59:38
Onboard creative is just live24 marketed as Audigy SE
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K8N Diamond Plus and Opteron 175

Anyone running a K8N Diamond Plus and an Opteron 175 ok?
Any problems?
Any tips?

Quote from: skippy9146 on 20-January-06, 08:51:51
They should run fine... as a Diamond Plus comes with a Dual Core compatable BIOS.
You'll have to post back with some news when you get it together.... I have a 165 that needs a new home.
thanks for the reply, i kinda figured it might support it, as the M8N Diamond does (accordingto the cpu support list) but MSI's site doesn't seem to have much info about the K8N Diamond plus, not even a single bios upgrade or anything.
I have an ASUS A8N32-SLI but i have 3 issues with it:
1) can't install vista 5270 - common problem, not just me
2) poor pci slot location when using 2 pci-express dual width gfx cards
3) only available pci slot shares an IRQ with 2nd gfx card, bad for sound cards
I was going to order one this weekend but i might just not bother now as someone else posted the xfi cards don't work with them (popping/crackling, just like i have now) and that was my main motivation for getting rid of my asus board as my xfi card doesn't work either.

Does new Zalman CNPS8000 fit on MSI K8N Diamond Plus?

Was wondering about this, and if there would be issues with the height of the copper northbridge heatsink the MSI K8N diamond plus has.
Will this new CPU cooler fit or will it not like the other Zalman 7000 series?

TimeReaper,
I do not see why not:
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Richard

Which PSU for MSI K8N Diamond Plus?

I am so frustrated ... I have spent over 6 hours trying to find out which power supplies I can use with the MSI K8N Diamond Plus.
I am not able to find any PSU that has 24 pin, 8 pin and 4 pin power connectors ... do you have to get them custom made or something? I am in Switzerland and it is hard to track these things down if you do not speak the language.
This is the page which I am using to try and find a compatible PSU:
http://www.stegcomputer.ch/browse.asp?cat=376
I think the Spire Rocketeer VI should work but am not sure.
Can anybody recommend a PSU that is compatible with this board? Please.

Quote from: russellmrgn on 27-March-06, 20:51:26
Off topic.
Kenito443,
I see you have the Stacker830, was looking at that case myself. How do you find it performance / quality wise?
Russell
Yeah i love it...the cooling is amazing, my case never goes above 30C and the cpu idles at 22c and never goes over 27C even when OC'd,.. granted i have substantial cooling for the cpu. the case is completely tool less and boasts a up to 9 12cm fans...the case is double encased Al so with a silent PSU (true 500W), which is my set up , it is extremely quiet. i was going to get the lian li until i saw both of them on display. the lian li seemed a little harder to set up for water cooling -if i wanted that option in the future, and the tool less feature for the cm stacker was a lot more appealing. Interestingly, it has its own proprietary hard drive noise reduction and cooling doohickey. Also, the mb has this cool pull out tray plus the PSU rail is really easy to accomadate for a larger PSU. the store where i bought it from in santa clara CA threw in some of these nice dust filters with the case and I was sold. the only con was the price, i paid around $230, which is a little expensive for a CM....oh and a word of warning , the case doesnt really look that big in pictures, but it is HUGE !! it has 10 5.25-inch bays..you can fit every single imaginable peripheral and still have room to fit your kitchen sink..i was definitely surprised to see how big it was in person.

When will MSI K8N Diamond Plus hit the street

I need this card badly and A.S.A.P as I've managed to fry my 875P Neo-FISR (PCB 2.0)
The press center section where this product is posted does not say.
Release the Power of X16 MSI K8N Diamond Plus Sallying

Quote from: fafner on 17-November-05, 22:51:34
Skippy, I hope you are right. Please send me a PM if u find it is available at newegg.....I want to get one as soon as they are available. Thanks.
OK... will do.
I'd think that it will appear really soon though for 1 really big reason -
Screwing up & missing out on any of the holiday shopping season would be like shooting themselves in the "financial foot". Especially when they have a competitor that currently has that particular market to themselves with a hot product. Can't let that happen.
That's just "Marketing 101"... and my "fearless prediction", for whatever that's worth LOL!

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Zone^55 Live,
Remember that every time you change the FSB you effect the HT, Core and Memory clocks.
The amount you effect the is determined buy the multipliers you have setup.
In addition, the are no fixed frequency parameters on the Diamond Plus and many paramter are in volved.
So, the days of over-clock a system just meant turning up the FSB clock and maybe twicking the memory timing parameters are gone.
Over-clocking and system now is not just over-clocking, its system prefomance tuning.
EDIT:On your last post I do not have the information to answer that it would take the specification and data sheets on all the components of you system and many hours of study. You have got yourself into a system, that to turn it to its maximum performance you are going to have to know how each subsystem works, inter acts with the other subsystems to be able to turn it correctly to the maximum preformace and ypu many not get the same performace out of two system made up of the exact same components. Because this system push the components to edge of there capabilities. So, if the conponents are all +/- 5% you same system may preform 10% better or 10% worse than some one elses.
One more thing in your screen shorts your HT Data Paths are set 8/8 change them to 16/16, that will help system preformace as much as increasing FSB.
Roger
When submitting a problem, include a complete list of your system components; include part numbers, all Power Supply Voltages, and their output ratings. It is almost impossible to estimate what your problem is without knowing something about it.

MSI 7220 (Diamond Plus) and 7800GT/7900GT issue

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