MSI 875P Neo and Bios Version 1.6

I have an MSI 875P LSR Board.  It works fine but the system temperature is always running at 50-60 degrees C.
I am running bios version 1.2 and I was wondering if it is worth while to upgrade to version 1.6 as my system is stable.  I dont feel really comfortable flashing the bios I am running Windows XP with NTFS partition.

Maesus-how much lower do you feel the "real" temperature is? Would perhaps 10C be a fair estimate? I'm still waiting for my friend to dig out his thermal probe so that I can get an accurate reading. I too am still using bios 1.2(rock stable with excellent game play)but am considering a bios upgrade if I purchase faster memory which I'm not sure that version 1.2 would make full use of.

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    GC : Club 3D Radeon 9700
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    CPU Fan : Zalman CNPS-7000AlCu
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    --------[ EVEREST Home Edition (c) 2003-2005 Lavalys, Inc. ]
        Computer:
          Operating System                                  Microsoft Windows XP Professional
          OS Service Pack                                   Service Pack 3
          DirectX                                           4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)
        Motherboard:
          CPU Type                                          Intel Pentium 4, 2800 MHz (14 x 200)
          Motherboard Name                                  MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R (MS-6758)  (5 PCI, 1 AGP, 4 DDR DIMM, Audio, Gigabit LAN, IEEE-1394)
          Motherboard Chipset                               Intel Canterwood i875P
          System Memory                                     1024 MB  (PC3200 DDR SDRAM)
          BIOS Type                                         AMI (10/11/04)
        Partitions:
          C: (NTFS)                                         238464 MB (200326 MB free)
    --------[ DMI ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      [ BIOS ]
        BIOS Properties:
          Vendor                                            American Megatrends Inc.
          Version                                           V2.4
          Release Date                                      10/11/2004
          Size                                              512 KB
          Boot Devices                                      Floppy Disk, Hard Disk, CD-ROM, ATAPI ZIP, LS-120
          Capabilities                                      Flash BIOS, Shadow BIOS, Selectable Boot, EDD, BBS
          Supported Standards                               DMI, APM, ACPI, ESCD, PnP
          Expansion Capabilities                            ISA, PCI, AGP, USB
      [ System ]
        System Properties:
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          Product                                           MS-6758
          Version                                           00C
          Serial Number                                     00000000
          Wake-Up Type                                      Modem Ring
      [ Motherboard ]
        Motherboard Properties:
          Manufacturer                                      MICRO-STAR INC.
          Product                                           MS-6758
          Version                                           00C
          Serial Number                                     00000000
      [ Processors / Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 Processor ]
        Processor Properties:
          Manufacturer                                      Intel
          Version                                           Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 Processor
          External Clock                                    200 MHz
          Maximum Clock                                     4000 MHz
          Current Clock                                     2800 MHz
          Type                                              Central Processor
          Voltage                                           3.3 V, 2.9 V
          Status                                            Enabled
          Socket Designation                                FC-478
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          Direct Parallel                                   5.1.2535.0
          WAN Miniport (IP)                                 5.1.2535.0
          WAN Miniport (IP) - Packet Scheduler Miniport     5.1.2535.0
          WAN Miniport (L2TP)                               5.1.2535.0
          WAN Miniport (PPPOE)                              5.1.2535.0
          WAN Miniport (PPTP)                               5.1.2535.0
     

    Quote from: Jack t.N. on 14-November-09, 08:00:05
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    Thank you very much for your reply, I appreciate it.
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  • VooDoo uses the MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R Motherboard

    Hello All,
    Just check at voodoo.com computers and they are offering the MSI™ 875P Neo-FIS2R as the motherboard in their top of the line PC.
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    Video Card:   ATI 9700 Pro 128MB
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    MS intellieye Explorer
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    With regard to the motherboard stand-offs, motherboards dont always use the same amount or in the same position (the stand-offs are movable -either bending out of brackets in the case or unscrewing)
    Always check ALL the standoffs line-up with screw positions for your moterboard before fitting, a wrongly positioned post can short-out PCB traces/pins
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