MSI 94M890ML Memory Question

I've been reading the 94M890ML at the MSI website and had stumbled about the memory "problem". Before I take the plunge into MSI territory, I have to ask a question. Will this setup work without any headaches?
MSI 94M890ML
Intel Celeron D 326
Kingston 512MB or 256MB PC667 DDR2
Yes. I chose a C2D capable mobo so I can upgrade it easily just in case.

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...unless you have a very specific specialized reason for needing that much RAM, it's probably not worth attempting...
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Per forum rules, I have searched the forum for answers to my questions. Since this topic seems closest to what I need to know, I have added to it rather than start a new topic.
Here is the exact wording in the MS-6337-LE5 mainboard USER'S MANUAL.
MAIN MEMORY
* Support three 168-pin DIMM sockets
* Support a maximum memory size of 512MB SDRAM
This manual has no chart telling you what memory sizes, populations, and configurations work with this board, and MSI has no test reports for this board online.
However, I was told some time ago by one of the moderators (Assaf or Wonkanoby) that the MS-6337-LE5 is very similar to the 815EPT Pro mainboard. Here is the exact wording in the 815EPT Pro USER'S MANUAL.
MAIN MEMORY
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But if you look at page 2-8 of the manual, there is one 512MB DIMM listed as working, and it has to be 32x8 DS (Double Sided, 256MB each side). Is that the only 512MB DIMM that will work in this board?
What about the MS-6337-LE5?
The maximum overall memory (total of all 3 slots) for the MS-6337-LE5 is 512MB.
What is the maximum size in each slot? The manual doesn't say. Is it 256MB? 512MB?
If it's like the 815EPT Pro, then the largest size DIMM I can put in any slot is 256MB -- and I'd need 2 of them to total 512MB. If that's true, then a 512MB DIMM may not work for the MS-6337-LE5. Is that correct?
What about the 512MB DIMM that is 32x8 DS (Double Sided, 256MB each side) shown as working for the 815EPT Pro? Will that one work on the MS-6337-LE5? Or do I have to get two 256MB DIMMs instead?
Also, since the MS-6337-LE5 has only 3 slots and the 815EPT Pro has 4 slots, I can't exactly follow the memory population chart on page 2-7 of the 815EPT Pro manual to see which slots can use SS and which can use DS. So let me ask this.
If I have two DS DIMMs, then in the MS-6337-LE5, they can only be installed on slots 1 and 2, correct?
And if there are two DS DIMMs in slots 1 and 2, can a third DS DIMM be put in slot 3, only a SS DIMM, or no DIMM at all (assuming the total of all 3 slots does not exceed 512MB, of course).
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I understand that thousands of people are writing them emails everyday, but Asus, Gigatech, Epox etc. always answers our questions, even if it take a week or two or three.
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Harsh, yes. But also true.
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Allright, sure I can, no, how much slower do we talk about. Is there any other combinations which will work better?
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is there something i am missing here to enable this board to see 4 gig of mem as per the specs of the board
I am only running XP and fully understand the SW limitation ,
I do not see this as being issue with SW , this seems to stem back to the board not picking the correct amount of ram installed
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Quote from: Grayone on 27-December-05, 03:39:37
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