MSI FX 5900 ultra or PowerColor 9800 Pro

Hi
I have the following system but I am stuck with the Graphic.
Intel Pentium 4 'Northwood' 3.0CGHz (800FSB)
MSI 875P Neo-FIS2R
Corsair 1GB DDR XMS3700 TwinX (2x512MB) Platinum CAS3
LiteON LTN-525(S) 52x CD-ROM
Sony CRX220A 52x24x52x CDRW IDE
Pioneer DVD-120 Tray Load
Seagate Barracuda Serial ATA V 120GB
Thermaltake Xaser III V2000A Aluminium Super Tower
Antec TrueBlue 480W PSU
Creative Audigy 2
WIN XP PRO
My ? is which graphic card shall i buy MSI 5900 ultra or PowerColor 9800 Pro with 256 MB???
Thanks. ?(

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