MSI GE60 2PL Cooling Question

Hi there,
I just bought a MSI GE60 Apache-629 Laptop. I Never owned a MSI Laptop but I am Very Satisfied so Far. Even though it doesn't have the NVidia GTX 860m , like the Apache Pro, I can Still Run Battlefield 4 on Medium Spec in 1920x1080.
My Question is should I Press the Fan Button to Speed Up the Fan when Playing Battlefield 4 ?
It seemed like my Laptop was getting VERY HOT !
Is this Normal ?

Hello ericpatterson89,
If you don't mind the fan noise and the power consumption while you're playing BF4, just speed it up. The temperatures of the CPU & GPU are always hot when playing these types of 3D FPS games, no matter which model. Some models are just bigger and thicker so that you don't feel so much heat on the surface. But actually they are all very hot in those cores.
So the best and accurate way is to run "Dragon Gaming Center" to monitor the temperatures of the CPU & GPU. Its icon can be found on the system tray (right-bottom of the screen). Just double-click it to open its window and it will show you the temperatures of both CPU & GPU.
There's an EC firmware inside the laptop which will automatically increase/decrease the RPM of the fan or boost up/throttle down the GPU power consumption according to the heat generated. So if you always turn the fan in full speed during the game play, according to the principle of the NVIDIA GPU, it will run as fast as possible if needed until it's throttled by EC firmware. In my past experience, setting the fan in full-speed during the game play will get more time running fast and smooth than setting it automatic. That's why I am saying that it depends on the user's tolerance to the fan noise...

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I recently updates the EC-Version, because I had an issue with my fan which was really annoying. Before the EC update my fan kept spinning up and down every 10-20 seconds.
The temperatures ware always at a normal level. I own my MSI GE60 about one year. The spinning fan issue started just one month ago, but was fixed trough the update.
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Quote from: w33daw on 03-December-13, 18:14:26
fan is constantly spinning with the same, average speed. It goes faster when on stress but continue to spin when system is idle
Bios Version: E16GAIMS.10F
EC Version: 16GAEMS1 Ver4.05
Sorry to spoil that, but the fan was indeed always spinning before, too. But very quietly at a low rate! You could observe rotational speed in RWeverything and it did NEVER stop with that notebook (GE60) and the EC-version 14.04
If you want to go back, check out my post here. There are the old firmware files included as well. But read the readme.txt thoroughly first!
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=162459.msg1251647#msg1251647
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I want to confirm something
i just bought Msi ge60 a month ago
the temperature in balanced mode for Gpu is around 49C which is ok for me....
however the temperature for CPU reach 70C ...... is it normal ? or there is something wrong with the laptop after all...
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Hello,
I just bought an MSI GE60 and after 4 days of using, The fan keeps spinning up and down every 10 seconds even when nothing is running on the laptop. Have tried updating the BIOS and the drivers, but no change.
Every time i turn on my laptop this always happen. It goes on when my laptop is on. Even if im not doing anything it still keeps spinning up and down. I checked the temperature and its at 40+ C and my CPU usage is normal. Basically im not doing anything and it keeps doing this fan spin up and down.
Even when the cooler boost is on or off, its still does the same thing, the fan keeps spinning up to 100% and down.
Do you think this is a software issue or hardware? It is very annoying to hear the fan go 100% for 10 seconds then back to normal then back to 100% speed again and when i press cooler boost it doesnt do anything. So even tho the cooler boost button is off, it still keeps doing the 100% fan speed and back to normal again. It keeps repeating.
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Quote from: reprieve.nagrand on 03-May-13, 08:35:31
I have already tried uninstalling the S-bar and SCM drivers but still getting the fan noise. Also tried the no-battery and no-power reset for more than 24 hours but still having the same problems. The only thing that worked was changing the values in the RWeverything software. The only problem here is that it will work only until I shutdown the laptop. Once I do a cold boot I have to redo the RWeverything changes again.
@reprieve.nagrand
thanks for your case. Can I ask you a few questions more, please?
1. According to your model id your notebook came with just FreeDos, right? Could you please enter the Bios and go to System Information to confirm that you are using Bios 10F and EC version 14.04 (or 4.04)?
2. I urgently need a screenshot of your EC-Page within RWeverything after a cold boot without any modifications. Please try to make the screenshot at that time, when you can barely hear the fan anymore during the spin-on / spin-off cycle.
3. CoolerBoost: with a laptop that has been sitting idle for at least 20mins since last cold boot (no load, please!), can you turn on coolerboost by pushing the button somewhere to the left of the Powerbutton and let coolerboost run for at least 30 seconds. Then turn coolerboost off again and wait for the fan to slow down. Does the fan run continously after applying coolerboost or does it enter its off/on-cycle again. Please try it for at least 5 times and repeat it during other Windows sessions for two times. If this trick works, you are the man to make the video! Please help me out here. Please note, that the coolerboost trick will only work until there is load on the system again. If the fan speed picks up again due to load and slows down again, it will enter the annoying pattern, again.
4. While still reviewing the case and going through my notes, I came across an entry that I reflashed the EC-Controller with the same firmware one or two nights before the problem disappeared. This happened after uninstalling S-Bar and SCM earlier. So, if you are familiar with DOS-Flashing using USB-Sticks you could try to reflash the EC-Controller, than remove all power sources for at least 20 mins. If anyone else is experiencing the problem, please go ahead and report your findings. But please do the reflash only if you are familiar with such things and of course, please do so on your own risk!
Current status and work in progress:
As I haven't gotten hand on a video proofing that simply pushing the coolerboost fan button makes the problem temporarily go away, I am still stuck on there. The coolerboost solution works until the system load increases so much, that the fan level has to be raised. When the system load goes back to idle again, the fan level decreases and enters the off/on-cycle again.
The good news is I managed to customize a programm called fan control tools to somehow automatically apply the changes in RWeverything via a small GUI. This tool will also allow you to set fan profiles for Office, Games, etc. The bad news is, that this will trigger UserAccountControll at least once and it doesn't reapply after a cold boot or returning from hibernate, yet. I am now currently working on a solution that allows the new fan values to be set by Windows automatically using a batch file. This will apply the new values after a normal Windows boot, but not when returning from hibernate, though.
However, if you have found your remedy value for the fan issue within RWeverything, you can turn to Svet in the subforum "Notebook Modified & Private BIOS'ses & EC-FW". He will certainly be able to create you a custom EC-FW with those values written permanently in it.
My case:
The fan problem with my notebook has not (yet) returned. It has been running without S-Bar/SCM just fine. It can even process all fan profile alterations I have made. So, am I just lucky? While I do believe, that the fans of those notebooks experiencing the issue could be "somewhat odd", I find it hard to believe that my fan really suffered a mechanical problem. Without doing anything mechanical wise, my problem went away.
@Warner: I promised to present more videoproof of the case, but unfortunately I haven't managed to get a hold on a suitable video, especially since my unit has been running fine for the last weeks. Please be patient, if I have enough evidence I will post it asap.
One question bothers me though: looking at the EC-page of RWeverything, I was wondering if these are really all values, that the EC handles and checks. Are there any other values, variables that the EC manages and that are not displayed on the EC-page of RWeverything? The reason for asking this, is because I have a video showing the ECpage of RWeverything while the fan does his off/on-cycle and you can clearly see the RPMvalue correspond to the actions of the fan. As you pointed out, the boosts occur because the EC is missing a fan signal, I could clearly see the RPM value at offset 0xCD respond to the actions of the EC. If the controller looks for that value only, it should surely see the RPMs of the fan, as I can see them in RWeverything. So, I was wondering if the EC has other values not shown in RWeverything, that determine if the EC should enter the boost cycle?
While having another look at that video again, to me it appears as if the EC does this really on purpose. It tries to reduce the voltage of the fan to a point so low, that the fan simply starves. Then it boosts the fan up again. The only question is: why does the EC do that? Is there a leftover setting inside the EC - perhaps from another notebook - where such low RPMs were achievable?
You can find the video here in this zip-file: http://www.file-upload.net/download-7371226/MSI.rar.html
In the zip-file you will find three numbered videos, the first one is the most interesting as it shows the annoying fan cycle while the laptop is running idle. In the second one, the user put load on the system using prime95. The third one shows the system while it cools off again after prime95 has been stopped. Sadly, the video is too short as the system doesn't reach its lowest fan state again. The videos were taken in march in Germany, so the ambient temperature is around 20-21 °C or less (normal room temperature in Germany).
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jku

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Quote from: James D on 12-May-14, 09:11:18
Try to remove battery and hold power button for 5 sec.
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- Contact your seller about the warranty.
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http://www.msi.com/page/service-location/
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Good evening Fellow Gamers and Adepts.
I come to you tonight with a serious doubt , which has rattled me for a while , and after some intense troubleshooting i have came up blank.
Here's the deal , as stated , i have a MSI GE60 2PE apache Pro
Now , playing cs go has been the bane of my existence, i am aware there are heating issues with this laptop , but those have been fixed by a Thermal repaste, a cooling pad and the backplate removed.
Now i have no more throttling of CPU , and GPU appears to handle fine aswell; the thing is i keep having MASSIVE lag spikes in CS:GO , and apparently they are being cause by CPU issues.
Image for clarification .
(Standart situation , notice the relative low fps for a old game)
imgur.com/cJ2Ly80
After a few seconds the following occurs
imgur.com/cJ2Ly80,27y1P5C,aq30R4r#1
Notice the fps drop and the CPU frequency percent alert in game
another shot of this in console so you can see the several occurrences
imgur.com/cJ2Ly80,27y1P5C,aq30R4r#2
now keep in mind that these are the lowest game settings, in Fullscreen windowed mode , if i even CONSIDER putting it on standart fullscreen i get unplayable jitterness and fps that range from 10 to 80 , all in a second.
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note aswell the "active core count" spikes to 4/3 in the exact moments of the stutters, meaning that both problems should , in theory , be connected .
Image for reference:
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Details of IXT
gyazo.com/1f03a344b9ac2642b1a885ee0a8ea078
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Thanks.

Quote from: hch;110474
Can't see the black lines you talk about.
Maybe you can show a desktop picture and point in out?
This was the best way to show the problem. Please, check carefully at the following secs: 17s and 51s. There is a flickering following with the horizontal black lines. I just added some notes to the video to help.

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oh and while I was playing Dota 2 my laptop got force shutdown (because I was using without battery, charger connected then my electricity went out... ) I am curious how would force shut down would effect the laptop? Like what will it damage?
Thank you

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oh and while I was playing Dota 2 my laptop got force shutdown (because I was using without battery, charger connected then my electricity went out... ) I am curious how would force shut down would effect the laptop? Like what will it damage?
this should not cause damage
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