MSI K8N neo 2 Plat System still to be Built from Scratch!!!

Hi to all,
My first post and it's gonna be lengthy I think!
I am not a gamer ever, most of what I do is Video encoding (mainly this 100% CPU hogging activity) and Graphics manipulation.
Below is a list of what I have to start my build:
Note that I do not overclock ever so please, no reference to this!!!
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum (7025)
Athlon 64 3500+ 92nm Winchester Core (retail)
Cooler = Zalman CNPS7000B-CU Ultra-Quiet CPU Cooler (think I might have fitting probs with memory slots DIMM's 1+2(G/P) on the MSI Neo2 Plat board, DIMM's 3+4(G/P) might be my only option if I want to stick with this cooler but for fault finding purposes I can always use the stock cooler?)
Corsair TwinXL PC3200 - CMX512-3200XLPRO 400Mhz 2.2.2.5 LL
Antec True Power 550W with SATA supply (X2)
1 X Western Digital 74Gb SATA Raptor HDD (I want this as my C: main boot, no Raid)
2 X Seagate Barracuda 300Gb 7K2rpm SATA HDD (I want these as RAID 0/stripe=performance only)
GPU: On order!
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/vga/vga/pro_vga_detail.php?UID=636
Will use my old trustworthy and reliable GeForce 2 Ti 64 Mb card for XP+SP1 instalation only.
1 X 120 Gb 7K2 HDD (IDE 1 Master) (from old set up)
1 X 120 Gb 7k2 HDD (IDE 1 Salve) (from old set up)
1 x PlexWriter 52x/24x/52x CD-ReWriter (IDE 2 Master)
1 X Pioneer DVR-108 Black16x DVD±RW Dual layer (IDE 2 Slave)
PCI = Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Value 7.1 PCI Sound Card - OEM
Case = Lian-Li PC V1100 Black Aluminium Midi-Tower
Everthing is new in this set-up apart from my old IDE HDD's, still in boxes and ready to go ready for your input?
Q1. Quote
Keep in mind that you will need the special drivers to install your SATA Raid drives if you have any. When the windows install starts you need to keep tapping the F6 key to load those drivers from the diskette MSI supplied. "If you are using an Nvidia3 chipset with a single SATA drive and not raiding, you can skip this step, it will automatically be recognized by windows." (Tip Provided by timkessler)
Straight forward if you are using one or the other methods mentioned in Tiresmokes thread Basic Building Tips(which is gr8, thnx for that Tiresmoke). But as above I want my W/D raptor as my C: main boot drive only, no RAID?
Can I use the F6 option at the XP instal and then go on to set up the Raptor drive accordingly - and from there set up my 300Gb Seagates as RAID 0 (Seagates wont be attached till Raptor is set to C: main boot)???
Once I get to this stage I will start asking about board BIOS and Driver details which I dont know as of yet, like I said everything is still boxed.
I thought personally that starting this thread - people wanting to use this board would benefit from a brand new instalation from scratch guide from a relatively newbie point of view?
I know there are alot of issues regarding the boards features, but I thought if I done this in public the relevant problems could be linked as I go along, either with problems or without - depending on the individual experience?
pheeeewww, I said it was gonna be lengthy didnt I?

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Originally posted by Supershanks
On install windows will see 3 drives all sata which is why i suggestd the configuration, i did you dont need to set up your raid array at all as the drives are just going to be data drives.
If you wish you could even install windows without f6 & loading any drivers
Having then got widows installed.
Seperate project to
enable raid in bios, creating the raid & let windows install drivers later.
assuming you have an original windows cd ie pre sp1, the quickest method of installation is to slipstream windows.
Basically you download latest service pack sp1 or sp2 insert your OS cd & run a program which merges the 2 & creates a new OS cd with the SP integrated. Any updates needed then are miimal.
see
Slipstreaming - Autostreamer Neowin - i'ts so easy i've heard grannies can do it
hope this helps
Looks like they moved the AutoStreamer thread, and updated to 1.033---> AutoStreamer 1.0.33

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