MSI K8N Neo 4f problems please help.

My rig
Processor
AMD Althon64 3000+ Venice
Mainboard
MSI Neo4f
Graphics Card
Leadtek GF6600GT Extreme 128mb
Memory
2x512 Twinmos ddr400
Display
Viewsonic VX912
Storage
Hitachi 250GB SATA
Optical Storage
MSI DVDRom/ LG 4163B DVDRW
Casing
Cheapo
PSU
Verudium Vortex 430w
Audio
On Board
OS
Win XP SP1
The above rig bought 3 weeks ago,
and its been giving me unstability problems. After installing winxp SP1, when I start installing drivers, these problems would come.
1. PC would freeze up now and then.
2. USB keyboard and mouse sometimes wouldn't work after bootup although PC is still running
3. Blue screen! now and then.
4. Sometimes different software installation would give error but re-running the installation would be fine.
The above mentioned problems could is still persisting after 2 weeks. I've reformat and reinstalled winxp 4-5 times and the above would still occurs sometimes, even in the middle of installing drivers. It comes randomly and not during a specific software/driver installation.
I've run memtest and RTHBRIBL overnight with no errors and I'm suspecting motherboard. Strange thing is that the MSI live update program help me flash bios on my motherboard and would still prompt me I need to flash my bios everytime.
I've basically almost isolate everything except motherboard. I hope someone can help me determine if it is my motherboard problems. I've going crazy already.

Quote from: Tango on 14-August-05, 21:16:35
Do you have Cool n Quiet enabled?
If so disable it , and report back.
Verudium Vortex 430w
Please post the voltage rail ratings.
Have you tried Prime95?
http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm
It is a stress test that runs under windows and also can be used to test your memory.
EDIT: http://www.alevtav.com/products.php?brand=1&ATSid=4a2fe5368de8eb29c5723c93b90aec9f
If that is your PSU it is fine.
What nforce drivers are you using?
yes thats the vortex i have
cool and quiet disable thru bios
nforce drivers. seems to have more problems with the newer downloaded from MSI website. but can't really confirm
I've download prime 95 but I did not run it because by running RTHBTIBL will cause my cpu temp to go to 47 deg c. But I'll try it tonight.
note that I'm not running raid. just a 250gb SATA hitachi HD.

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Hi guys, long time browser first time poster on these forums.
I have a few questions which im hoping some of you can help me with, i searched through the message boards but found no answer so I thought i'd write a plea for help.
I recently sold my Asus K8V Deluxe and decided to replace it with a nForce3 250Gb alternative. I ended up purchasing an MSI K8N Neo, which is fantastic apart from 3 particular issues:
1. After the PC POSTs and before the WinXP loading screen, there is a long delay (about 25-30 seconds) where the PC does nothing. No hard disk activity or anything, just sits there on a blank screen. Can anyone help with as to what might be causing this problem?
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1. After the PC POSTs and before the WinXP loading screen, there is a long delay (about 25-30 seconds) where the PC does nothing. No hard disk activity or anything, just sits there on a blank screen. Can anyone help with as to what might be causing this problem?
First, are you raiding drives? It seems you are not, so my next question is did you load the drivers off the floppy disk? For sata drives that are not raided, this is an unnecessary step that has caused systems to hang at startup.-solution- reformat without loading these drivers.
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2. Im using a WD 120Gb SATA hard drive, connected to SATA port 3. Using the 'speed test' tool that is provided under the Nvidia Serial ATA controller, I receive a burst speed rate of 69.9mb / sec and a sustained speed of 52.4mb / sec. This falls far below the claimed 150mb / sec. Is there anything I can do to improve this??
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3. In terms of actual system performance its more or less identical to when I had the K8V. I've read in a few reviews that the nForce3 mobo's are faster than the VIA variety. Again is there something I can do to improve this or am I just a gullible mofo?
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Quote from: russellmrgn on 28-March-06, 10:54:39
Sap147
Can you give us what the D-Bracket was showing ie
R R
G R
As an example this means "Initializing Keyboard Controller"
You will find this information in the manual page 2-23. (On mine) under Hardware Setup
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GG
for one stick of ram = GR
GG
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