MSI K8N Neo Platinum with Vapochill Case problems - Help anyone. :)

Hi all,
Had a bit of a tricky problem and as Im new to this board I have no idea what could be causing this.
First all all system specs:
Athlon 64 3700+ Clawhammer
MSI K8N Neo Platinum -
1 gig Corsair XMS ProL Low Latency Ram (2 x 512mb)
Nvidia Gefore 6600GT
1 x WD Raptor 10000rpm HD
NEC 2500a DVD writer.
Eye-T 550w PSU.
Vapochill SE Case with installed Vapochill Phase change cooling.
Here are photos of it in its present state, you will notice that it isnt installed in the case at the moment.
The reason for that is because the two wont work together and I want them to so so bad...
So, hopefully someone here can save the day for me - here goes.
I have tested the Motherboard and all other componants outside of the case and everything runs smoothly and there are no problems what so ever, great.
I have also retested the Vapochill case with another motherboard and that also works without a hitch.
The problem comes when I insall the MSI board into the system, all hooked with a really basic setup, PSU, Case cooling, CPU and Ram. Flick the on switch on the power suply and the system turns on for around 1/2 a second then turns off again. I found this strange because it soundnt come on at all until I press the power button.
If I press the power button the same thing will happen over and over.
I have tried a different powersupply and this does nothing at all.
I have checked for shorts and there is no possible way it is shorting on anything.
I have a fan plugged in where the CPU fan would go and this doesnt help.
I have taken it back out and tested it again and it still works ok.
Does this sound familiar to anyone? Are there any secret Bio's menu's that would have an option that would solve this?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Glenn

When you are running the MoBo standalone, what are you connecting to the Power, Reset, HDD, etc. pins ? Are you using the wires from the Vapochill case, or something else ? It looks like a single cable with an intermittent switch (red/white cable). I once had a similar sort of problem and it was because I hadn't connected up (the incredibly fiddly) cables correctly. Other than that, I would have gone for a short of some sort - but you have checked that already, so . . . .
As to the system starting to power-up when you switch on the PSU, I wouldn't worry too much about this. It seems to happen from time to time with some of my systems - amongst other things, the BIOS can be set to resume to previous state after a power-fail.

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