MSI K8N Neo4-F + Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 120Gb PATA = PIO

If I have the two above components together, and enable DMA in the BIOS, the system won't boot. I have to disable DMA to get the system to boot, but then transfer speeds are excruciating!
Suggestions? Can't be a driver issue as I get this problem even before an OS is installed.
K8N Neo4-F (non SLI edition) [BIOS v1.6]
Athlon 64 3700+
PC3200 Crucial 1Gb (2x512Mb sticks in dual channel)
BFG 7800GT OC 256Mb
Creative X-Fi Fatality FPS
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 120Gb (EIDE) [ST3120026A]
Seasonic S12 500W PSU
XP Pro

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Any known problems: MSI K8N SLI Platinum + seagate 7200.9 sata2 hdd?

Hi all.
I planning to buy Seagate sataII 7200.9 250GB drive (model: ST3250824AS) very soon (finally they are in stock in my city), but first i want to know is there any incompatibility issues or other problems with such combination - MSI K8N SLI Platinum + seagate 7200.9 series hdd.
I don't have any experience with sata2 drives yet. Currently i'm using seagate 7200.7 120GB IDE hdd.
I don't plan use RAID or use that new 7200.9 drive in combination with current 7200.7 drive (will use current hdd in other pc).
Any tips/experience would be great.

Seagate SATA II 7200.9 250GB drive (model: ST3250824AS) has both 3 G/bps speed and NCQ (Native Command Queuing) most all MB’s with the nVidia Chipsets using the nForce4 chip will have problems. If they are not using RAID and you reduce the speed to 1.5 G/bps with a single drive you maybe able to get it to work. Personally, I know the MS-7125 and MS-7220 both will not run RAID with those to motherboards.
I have been battling with MSI and ASUS over this problem sense November and they have not come up with a fix. Problem involved BIOS and RAID Controller Driver for the chipset. Most MSI motherboards latest BIOS have fixed the BIOS half of the problem. There is an unreleased 32-bit driver for Windows, but nothing for Windows XP 64.
Roger

MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum or MSI 6600GT PCI-E ?

Dear Sirs,
I've just bought a MSI NX6600 TD GT 128MB PCI-E and
Motherboard MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum.
I Think that one of these is defective bacause WinXP
can't work with MSI original drivers, MSI old
drivers or Nvidia drivers. The system reboots.
I think that i've tried almost everything and this
card only works badly with VesaSave driver (Generic
Windows driver).
Could a defective video card works ?
Is it possible that the problem is the Motherboard ?
Any idea ?
Help me please,
Thank you very much,
ISW
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum
A64 3500+ Winchester
Original Cooler
DDR PC4000 GEIL 1GB ULTRA DUAL
MSI NX6600 TD GT 128MB PCI-E
Maxtor 120GB
Seagate 120GB
XP Home SP2

Duplicate Post.
Look for all replies here:
MSI 6600GT PCI-E or MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum ?
Take Care,
Richard

MSI 6600GT PCI-E or MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum ?

Dear Sirs,
I've just bought a MSI NX6600 TD GT 128MB PCI-E and
Motherboard MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum.
I Think that one of these is defective bacause WinXP can't work with MSI original drivers, MSI old drivers or Nvidia drivers. The system reboots.
I think that i've tried almost everything and this card only works badly with VesaSave driver (Generic Windows driver).
Could a defective video card works ?
Is it possible that the problem is the Motherboard ?
Any idea ?
Help me please,
Thank you very much,
ISW
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum
A64 3500+ Winchester
Original Cooler
DDR PC4000 GEIL 1GB ULTRA DUAL
MSI NX6600 TD GT 128MB PCI-E
Maxtor 120GB
Seagate 120GB
XP Home SP2

About PSU I'm a old (41 years old) newbie, and I had to re-assemble my old computer to work but I check this before with MSI software and at motherboard bios voltage check and remember that it was ok it is a 600 watts. But I think that even if it is not, I could at minus install the driver and start Windows. I had no possibility to even start Windows.
If I install any MSI or Nvidia driver, when loading WindowsXP the screen turns black and at some time after the system reboots and prompts to start in secure mode. So I can't do anything, even starts Windows with this videoboard with right drivers. It only works with "VesaSafe" driver.
ISW

MSI K8N Neo4-F Problems

I'm on my very first build and I'm running into problems. When I power up, all the fans spin up properly and the D-Link LED's go through the usual settings but it gets stuck on the combination that the manual translates into "Initializing Floppy Drive Controller - This will initializing Floppy Drive and controller." The D-Link LED's just hang there and I've left it alone for a couple minutes and it still wouldn't budge. On the screen, sometimes I can see the POST message and other times I see nothing at all on the screen from the various times I've restarted the computer. Any idea why it's hanging on this certain combination and not booting me to the BIOS setup screens? These are my system specs...thanks:
MSI K8N Neo4-F Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 ATX AMD Motherboard
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Venice
ZALMAN CNPS7000B-AlCu Heatsink
Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-380 ATX12V 380W Power Supply
OCZ Performance Series 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200)
Western Digital Caviar SE WD800JD 80GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive
Leadtek 6600GT

I take that into consideration! But as hardware goes, no two are exactly the same. But let's not focus on that, as I believe it could be problems elsewhere.
Posted by: Talannon
Hi!
First, the problem is I made this computer for a friend and when I boot the computer it always freeze at startup. I hear the normal bip when you start the computer then I see the first screen where it says to hit del to enter SETUP but it freeze there. I can't even go into BIOS. I have 2x512 MB in dual channel and when I remove one I can usually be able to go into the bios, then once there I check if everything is there by default ( I already reset cmos ) and it looks good then I reboot and it freeze again. I really don't know what to do...
But I will tell you the whole story. First I get the computer and at first boot I get no video signal. I see that I forgot to put the spacer between MoBo and the case. Then I fix that, comp boot I go into bios. I made another error by setting the FSB speed at 400 mhz because I read that it was going at 400 (I forgot that it was 200 x 2) so I reboot and I get nothing. I reset the cmos by pressing the button then i can get into bios.
From there I changed the boot order and I make it so MSI doesn't show his logo when you boot but you get the POST instead. I exit and save then I start getting that problem... Since then I am not able to go into BIOS unless I play with the memory module. Another thing is when I can't get into BIOS I watch the 4 LEDs on the USB thing you add to the MoBo (definition here http://www.msicomputer.com/support/sup_tshoot.asp#1_3 scroll down a bit). When I can't get into BIOS I get a combination (1 and 3 red) saying "testing base and Extended Memory, Testing base memory from 240k to 640K and extended memory above 1MB using various patterns" and when I changed the memory and I get into the bios (2 red) I get " Initializing Floppy Drive Controller, This will initialize Floppy Drive and controller". I got that from the book that came with the board.
The comp is:
MSI K8N Neo4-F
Athlon 64 3200+
MSI NX6600 TD 256 FX6600 PCI-E
Antec SLK1650 MINI TOWER CASE 350W
Kingston 1024 MB DDR400 Dual KVR
Maxtor 120Gb S-ATA
If anyone can help I would appreciate it! Thank you!
Posted by: Talannon
I will add that I tested the ram on another computer and it works fine. Also, when I only have 1 module of ram installed he start to detect the ide drive and sata HD but when It get to the floppy it fail. From there I can go in the bios but when I restart he won't even start detecting stuff he will only freeze after he wrote the memory testing line and then I can't do nothing... or I can hit continue and it even got started with the windows xp install but it crashed, it didn't take long. Reboot and crash at verifying DMI pool data or something like that after I hit continue again after detect floppy fail.
I tried resetting the cmos then reboot and it said that my config was in overcloaking mode and to reset it on the bios... But there was nothing to change. Also tried to continue there but it stop at Verifying DMI Pool Data.
The bios installed by default is v 1.3, which is the only version there's not on the msi website... strange
Anyway I pretty much said all I could, hope someone could help but I have a feeling that the MoBo as problem...
Posted by: keymaker
hmm......try takin out all of thec computer parts out of the computer case and this time only reseat the following devices: case, motherboard, cpu, ram, and videocard.
also try replacing the floppy cable and see if the computer will be able to detect the floppy this time. good luck
Posted by: Talannon
It still freeze the same way with only cpu ram and video card on mobo...
Posted by: zach1288
Try leaving your battery out longer, Some CMOS batteries can take up to 8 hours to clear.
Posted by: linderman
Welcome to TSF:
two items for consideration
A) what is your power supply and specs / this is by FAR the most underated overlooked component that plays such a vital role / the generics PSU just plain cant cut the mustard / they rely on cheap price to lure sales not performance / it doesnt take much of a fluctuation in power to send the newer systems baulking.
B) download and run memtest86.com on your memory modules / sounds like you may have a trouble maker there. Test them one at a time first / then as a pair
please post back with your findings
regards
joe
Posted by: Talannon
It could still play a role if I go back in bios and the settings seem to be back at normal? (like the FSB at 200 instead of 400 mhz like I tried to change at first.
edit: Power supply is a 350W smart Power by Antec
Posted by: Tumbleweed36
Hi,
An Antec is a great power supply, but frankly, don't think a 350 of anything is big enough to handle what you have. Even an Antec, you probably would need a minimum of a 450 to 480 with a very strong amperage rating. Antec and Enermax is where good power supplies are made if the wattage is what you need. That is the first place I would look after the memory thing is checked.
Posted by: Talannon
So... I made the test with the ram with this computer and the ram seems to have no problem at all.
So I guess I should try with a better power supply? But even a 350W with only the motherboard, cpu/fan, ram and video card would still not be enough to run it? Because I still have problem while running only that... Before I go out and buy a good power supply I would like to make sure it could be the source of the problem.
BTW, thank you all for the help so far, I hope we can find the problem :(
Posted by: Tumbleweed36
Hi,
If you have a Best Buy nearby, go find a good power supply and if it is not the problem, take it back or return it. That way, it would not be an expensive venture that might not solve the problem. Just be careful how you deal with the packaging so you can return it if it does not help. That sounds like the best solution at this time.
Posted by: Talannon
Ok, one other I will add is I noticed a trend. If I start the computer I can usually go all the way and start windows installation but it will stop working right after I hit enter to actually start windows installation. If I reset it will always hang at the beginning and unable to even get into the BIOS...
If I put the ram in dual channel setting it won't even start on first startup. But if it's on single channel it will at least let me go to the bios and such (but never recognized the floppy). Dual channel take more juice to run?
With this in mind is it possible that the mobo and/or cpu still be the cause of the problem?
Anyway I think I will try to get a power supply of at least 450W to test it. Just for testing purpose, can I get any power supply even if it's not antec or enermax as long as it has high voltage? I can test it and if it's working I can always return it and go buy a real power supply from antec or enermax where there is one.
Posted by: ginger6
I dont think it is your power supply, the power supply you have should handle what you have got no problem, the problem will be your memory...... are the 2 memory sticks you have identical, ie: same manufacturer, same speed, same chips on the board..... to run in dual channel mode you need both sticks to be exactly identical otherwise you will have problems.
What brand is the memory, if it is a cheap brand then you may have compatibilty problems.
Have you run memtest86 when both sticks are inserted but not in dual channel mode?
Kevin
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Posted by: Tumbleweed36
Quote:
Originally Posted by Talannon
Ok, one other I will add is I noticed a trend. If I start the computer I can usually go all the way and start windows installation but it will stop working right after I hit enter to actually start windows installation. If I reset it will always hang at the beginning and unable to even get into the BIOS...
If I put the ram in dual channel setting it won't even start on first startup. But if it's on single channel it will at least let me go to the bios and such (but never recognized the floppy). Dual channel take more juice to run?
With this in mind is it possible that the mobo and/or cpu still be the cause of the problem?
Anyway I think I will try to get a power supply of at least 450W to test it. Just for testing purpose, can I get any power supply even if it's not antec or enermax as long as it has high voltage? I can test it and if it's working I can always return it and go buy a real power supply from antec or enermax where there is one.
Hi,
Before you go out and get another power supply, you need to make sure you have everything hooked up correctly.
Try flipping the floppy cable over and see if the BIOS recognizes it. That is a common mistake that all of us make from time to time. The red stripe (pin 1) goes toward the power plug on that one and it is opposite as a rule from the other ribbon cables, because the normal power plug on the hard drives have the power plug on the opposite side.
Second, tell us exactly what drives you have and how you have them hooked up...here is an example: Maxtor 30 gig IDE, set as master, on the end of the ribbon cable, and connected to IDE #1.
Third, the memory thing does seem to be an issue. Is the memory that you have listed on the QVL list in the motherboard manual?
For now, for testing purposes, just leave one stick of Ram in the board, and do follow the instructions in the manual about where that single stick should be. As an example, some boards require that when you use a single stick, that it is in Dimm2, Dimm3, or even Dimm4 instead of Dimm 1. That feature is new to some who don't regularly build, so please check that out before you go too far.
Let us know these things and we will try to get right back to you.
Posted by: Talannon
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tumbleweed36
Try flipping the floppy cable over and see if the BIOS recognizes it. That is a common mistake that all of us make from time to time. The red stripe (pin 1) goes toward the power plug on that one and it is opposite as a rule from the other ribbon cables, because the normal power plug on the hard drives have the power plug on the opposite side.
It will only go in the way I put it. Other thing is the power supply is an ATX with 20 pin. My manual says it should work but it also says that I could use a 24 pin SSI power supply but never use those. Again I am sure the power supply is in correctly cause I couldn't plug it any other way anyway.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tumbleweed36
Second, tell us exactly what drives you have and how you have them hooked up...here is an example: Maxtor 30 gig IDE, set as master, on the end of the ribbon cable, and connected to IDE #1.
Maxtor 160 gig connected on sata 1 and there doesn't seem to ba master/slave option. Is it because it's SATA? It also seems to be detected as IDE THIRD Master on the first page.
LG DVD +/- RW in master on ide 1
Nothing on IDE 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tumbleweed36
Third, the memory thing does seem to be an issue. Is the memory that you have listed on the QVL list in the motherboard manual?
My ram is PC3200 (DDR 400) it's supported from what I can read in the book
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tumbleweed36
For now, for testing purposes, just leave one stick of Ram in the board, and do follow the instructions in the manual about where that single stick should be. As an example, some boards require that when you use a single stick, that it is in Dimm2, Dimm3, or even Dimm4 instead of Dimm 1. That feature is new to some who don't regularly build, so please check that out before you go too far.
Manual says it should be in a green slot first which is dimm 1 and 3. I put it in dimm 1 ans it should be fine. The setup like it is now, is in the combination list in the manual.
Posted by: Talannon
Quote:
Originally Posted by ginger6
I dont think it is your power supply, the power supply you have should handle what you have got no problem, the problem will be your memory...... are the 2 memory sticks you have identical, ie: same manufacturer, same speed, same chips on the board..... to run in dual channel mode you need both sticks to be exactly identical otherwise you will have problems.
What brand is the memory, if it is a cheap brand then you may have compatibilty problems.
Have you run memtest86 when both sticks are inserted but not in dual channel mode?
Kevin
I've only run test with the ram installed separately...
I also bought my ram as dual channel so I got a kit from Kingston KVR. So they should be identical to each other. Kingston is in the list of supported memory on MSI webpage of the motherboard...
Posted by: Talannon
So I tested the both ram at the same time but in single channel and no error.
One thing I notice is when I boot the ram is showed to go at 201 mhz instead of 200. Not sure if it says something...
Posted by: whodatknocking
Quote:
First I get the computer and at first boot I get no video signal. I see that I forgot to put the spacer between MoBo and the case.
this might be a real problem, we'll see
but first:
go into your bios and relaxe the timings on your ram, maybe 3-4-4-8
pump the voltage up on the ram a notch,to maybe 2.7 or 2.8
post back
Posted by: Talannon
humm I'm not sure what I should be looking for in the bios for that.
If I put Timing mode in manual instead of auto I can change a bunch of thing. I have no idea what you mean by 3-4-4-8... There is something in that called CAS# latency (Tcl) which is by default at 2.5 but could change it to 2.0 or 3.0. Is that the voltage?
Posted by: whodatknocking
try 3
no it isnt the voltage, the voltage would be in another spot in the bios
post back
Posted by: Talannon
changed nothing
I guess I am to a point to check the cpu on another socket 939 MoBo to see if it's the cpu or the MoBo the problem. With everything we tried I start to doubt it could be anything else.

Cloning WinXP onto Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 SATA hard disk

Greetings everybody!
I recently wanted to clone my existing (perfectly working) Windows XP Home boot hard disk onto a brand new 320 GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 SATA drive, model ST3320620AS. The existing boot C-disk is a 250 GB Western Digital SATA, which is in my Fujitsu Siemens Scaleo P (the CPU being an AMD Athlon 64 3700+). The motherboard is an ASUS A8NE-FM with the SATA interface being a NVIDIA nForce4 Serial ATA Controller.
I struggled quite a bit getting the cloned Seagate SATA disk to work as a Windows XP boot drive, but eventually got it working – using Acronis True Image Home version 9, build 3.854 (http://www.acronis.com/). Here’s how I eventually succeeded; hope it may be useful to others! ( - and I of course realize that ASUS motherboards are not made by MSI, but at the same time I have seen several MSI-users reporting similar difficulties…).
A small hint: You may download, at no cost, a full-functioning version of “Acronis True Image 10 Home”, usable for a 15 days trial period (http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/download/trueimage/). If you can manage to clone your hard disk within this period, well, it’ll be completely free! A free Windows XP clone utility, which I don’t know how well functions, is XXclone, see http://xxclone.com/.
Here’s how I did (there may be other ways, but, well, this worked for me):
1) First mounted the Seagate ST3320620AS as the D-drive (the C-drive being the Western Digital boot drive). Kept Seagate factory-default jumper setting (“Limit data transfer rate to 1.5 Gbits per second “). Booted up, went into the BIOS (being Nvidia 42302e31 Phoenix AwardBIOS v6.00PG according to ”System Info for Windows” from http://www.gtopala.com/ ), and configured the Seagate drive as follows: Second Master SATA HDD, Extended IDE Drive: Auto, Access Mode: Large (NB: Do NOT select ”Auto” here!!), Capacity: 320 GB, Cylinder: 4095, Head: 240, Precomp: 0, Landing Zone: 65534, Sector: 255. Save configuration and exit BIOS.
2) Booted up on the old Western Digital C-drive. Used Seagate’s DiscWizard to format and partition the ST3320620AS (http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/discwizard). The drive was formatted NTFS (4k block size, and one single partition). This went smooth (Windows XP however complained of some of the Seagate drivers not being ”WHQL certified” – just continued, anyway). Then right-clicked on ”My Computer" --> "Manage" --> ”Computer Management” --> ”Disk Management”. Right-clicked on the Seagate disk, then clicked ”Mark Partition as Active”. The Seagate drive is now seen in Windows as drive D, and is ready for use.
3) Ran Acronis True Image Home ver. 9, build 3.854 and cloned the Western Digital disk onto the Seagate. This went smooth and took less than five minutes (data amount on the Western Digital C-drive, containing Windows XP Home, \Program Files, \Documents and Settings and not much else, being approx. 10 GB). Impressing fast cloning! Exit and shut-down.
4) Removed the Western Digital drive from the PC, keeping only the new Seagate disk. Booted, went into BIOS, configured the boot drive as the Seagate: First or Second Master SATA HDD (according to what SATA cable is being used), Extended IDE Drive: Auto, Access Mode: Large (NB: Do NOT select ”Auto” here!!), Capacity: 320 GB, Cylinder: 4095, Head: 240, Precomp: 0, Landing Zone: 65534, Sector: 255. Save and exit BIOS.
5) Booted into Windows XP Home on the newly cloned Seagate SATA drive. Success!! End of story!
THANKS to several of ASUS forum users help!
Best regards,
Johan
Copenhagen
Denmark
NOTE the there seems to be an error in some of the ASUS motherboards (or in the BIOS?), incl. the A8NE-FM, which makes it impossible to boot from an apparently successfully Windows XP cloned Seagate SATA drive unless first having set the ”Access Mode” in the BIOS to ”Large” before formatting and cloning. Some also claim that NCQ for the Seagate drive must be disabled; I have not done this and the cloned drive boots and works perfectly with NCQ enabled. (NB: If not setting ”Access Mode” to ”Large”, but if keeping the default BIOS setting of ”Auto”, then it is perfectly possible to both format, partition, set active and clone onto the drive. When attempting to boot using the cloned drive one gets this message: ”Error loading operating system” (or in Danish: ”Fejl ved indlæsning af operativsystem”). Further links discussing this issue:
SATA boot problem: http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20060822025446574&board_id=1&model=A8N-E&page=1&SLanguage=en-us
Cannot boot from SATA drive: http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20061109224813953&board_id=1&model=A8N-E&page=1&SLanguage=en-us
Problem with installing XP on 320 GB HDD: http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20060622193708298&board_id=1&model=A8N-E&page=1&SLanguage=en-us
Seagate SATAII disk unable to boot: http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20060518000042851&board_id=1&model=A8N-E&page=1&SLanguage=en-us
A8N-E, SATA and XP Professional Installation: http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20060327192440824&board_id=1&model=A8N-E&page=1&SLanguage=en-us

"NOTE the there seems to be an error in some of the ASUS motherboards (or in the BIOS?), incl. the A8NE-FM, which makes it impossible to boot from an apparently successfully Windows XP cloned Seagate SATA drive unless first having set the ”Access Mode” in the BIOS to ”Large” before formatting and cloning. Some also claim that NCQ for the Seagate drive must be disabled; I have not done this and the cloned drive boots and works perfectly with NCQ enabled. (NB: If not setting ”Access Mode” to ”Large”, but if keeping the default BIOS setting of ”Auto”, then it is perfectly possible to both format, partition, set active and clone onto the drive. When attempting to boot using the cloned drive one gets this message: ”Error loading operating system” (or in Danish: ”Fejl ved indlæsning af operativsystem”). Further links discussing this issue:"
that links are useless(for MSI owners), its described bug into BIOS which cannot determinate property HDD access mode. its specified problem related to this Asus board and specific BIOS version. exactly same problem happend and arrive with Gigabyte board after update BIOS to the latest one which suppose to fix "some things" and totally unexpected in background comes this issue..... seems some of Asus BIOSes got same issue...
MSI boards doesn't have this issue in any BIOS version.

Have you OC'd MSI K8N Neo4? If so, please reply.

Hey guys!
Im trying to figure out why my system wont boot over 220mhz FSB.
My previous thread:
K8N Platinum instability! help!
If you have MSI K8N Neo4 and a winchester cpu please write down anything you changed in bios. It would help me out a lot.
Like mem timings. vcore. voltage. and so on. Anything you've changed
My system specs:
winchester 3500+
MSI K8N SLI Platinum with the latest bios(official)
PowerColor X300SE
36gb Raptor SATA
120gb Maxtor IDE
Hp CD-Writer 8100
Hiper 425w PSU (20pin ->24pin adapter)
TwinMos Twister PC4300
Windows XP ServicePack2
Latest bios (according to MSI Live Monitor)

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Some1ne, Are you using an Antec True Power 380W without the 20 ->24 pin adapter?
Yes, I am using it without any adapter. I just followed the instructions given in the manual about how to hook up a 20 pin PSU to the 24-pin connector (i.e. leave pins 11, 12, 23, 24 unconnected). It was very easy to do and the pins are all keyed to prevent incorrect insertion of the 20 pin connector.
I wouldn't be concerned about your PSU if I were you...a lot of times power requirements are overstated here mostly in order to ensure that people don't go out and buy a crappy $20, 500W rated PSU and then come in and ask "why doesn't my system work, my PSU should be plenty big enough." The Antec TruePower PSU's are fairly high quality, and I wouldn't expect you to have any problems with yours.
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Other question, you was able to reach 272fsb (htt) inside and only with the BIOS? or you used ClockGen ?
Yes, BIOS overclocking only, I haven't tried using ClockGen to tweak.

MSI K8N Neo4-F booting issues

Ok, well I'm a n00b and this is only my second build. When I first put everything together, the system started right up and I was able to reboot no problem to upgrade the OS etc. However when I gave it to my parents, it started having some problems booting. Sometimes it boots up right away (if it's been off for a while)...however if you restart it, the fans run, but nothing happens for several minutes. Then all of the sudden it beeps and starts booting like nothing is wrong! So while it's sitting there doing nothing, I checked the D-bracket and it looks like it's sitting on the processor initialization:
MSI K8N Neo4-F running Bios version is 1.9 - the only setting I changed was removing the logo
Windows 2000 SP3 which I updated to 4
AMD 64 3700 +
Power Supply - Antec smart power 2.0 500 watts
liteon DVD burner - IDE primary master
a single 250 GB SATA seagate hard drive which is partitioned into 2- IDE 3rd master
2 sticks of 1 GB Cosair Value Select
ASUS EN6200TC256 - Geforce 6200TC 64MB 256MB PCIe
I did try reading through the forums first. I'm not sure if I should clear the CMOS or flash the bios. At this point I guess I kind of lack the confidence to make a decision due to lack of experience and the fact that it's not my computer I'm messing with. So guys, can you help a girl out? Any advice is much appreciated

Quote from: bjk1 on 27-March-06, 22:22:19
Hello Jewels,
have a look at this thread: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=80294.0
Maybe, it's the solution to your problem.
Bye.
Your link to the other thread was enlightening. A couple of things. My father did install a card reader. However, I'm unable to find those particular settings in the bios. My father also has logitech's mx3000 wireless keyboard and mouse hooked up. I unhooked the little reciever it came with and hooked up a standard keyboard and mouse, and what do you know, it boots fine. Which explains why I had no jproblems when I set the computer up initially. I'm sure he's going to want me to find a way to use them though.

Problem witn MSI K8N Neo4 platinum

Hello!
Got a strange problem.
gonna give u my specs for the pc first:
AMD64 3000+
2*512mb PC3200 Kingston Hyper X
MSI K8N Neo4 platinum
His x800xl
Seagate 80gb,IDE 3,5 ( currently Linux is installed on it)
Here is the problem.
I've just put all the parts together. Turned on the PC, got into boot screen, pressed delete to enter bios, no problem here, change the first boot to: Cd rom. Beacuse I'm gonna install Xp on it. save and exit the bios, the post(?) screen shows up with sume info, and at the button i can choose: Press F1 to continue or press DEL to enter setup.
I press contunie and a blac screen show up and it said hit ctrl+s to enter raid meny, or something like that, press just enter, the a long list is been gone threw, ends up with : press any key to boot from cd,
i press a Key and the xp cd just start and gets to: controlling the hardware of the computer ( first thing the swedish install cd does). And after seeing that line and three dotes after it for about 5 seconds, it just dissapear and the screen remains black, the cd rom is loading, but no more...
anyone of u know what the problem is?
Best regards
// Swedo

Seems like i am having the same problem on My K8N Neo4 Platinum, actually i built 3 identical rigs. And i am having the same problem as above. What i did to get around the problem was connect My Sata II hard drives to the orange slots on the mobo, and run them as raid0 and everything works, i dont know why i can run it on the purple slots without raid.

MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum SLI sound needs -5V; newest Antec 550W has no -5V rail

I came within a whisker of ordering a non-returnable 3700 Venice, MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum SLI mobo and an upgraded Power Supply, Antec's newest 550W PS the TP2-550 EPS12V ($117). This has dual 2x24pin 12V 19A rails and is touted as the new V2.0 EPS12V/ATX12v compatible power supply for high performance SLI systems. By accident I came across a page at MSI for this mobo
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mai...ail.php?UID=641
At the end is this warning: MSI Reminds You...
• For this model, you must use a Power Supply which has a -5V pin supply. Also, the users manual which I downloaded on Pg 2-10 says the same thing
The above Antec PS specs do not show a -5V rail, nor does an Enermax 600W I looked at. The V2.0 specs for ATX12v which added 2x24pin 12V rails dropped -5V rail from the spec and it appears MSI is not conforming to the spec (See Antec response at end) None of the web sites selling these PS & mobos contain any warning. I vaguely recall from a forum a while back it may have something to do with the Soundblaster system in the mobo.
http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=22551 (click specifications)
Isn't this a major showstopper which is going to cause a lot of grief for those of us upgrading to SLI systems using this mobo and upgrading our PS to the newest & best power design? We won't know the PS won't work until we build the system.
Regards, Ron
Antec reply to me:
>>>>Thanks for the link. Since MSI's website does state the motherboard needs the -5v, the True550EPS12V will not work with this motherboard. The Standard (http://enhanceusa.com/documents/atx12v_v2.01.pdf) has removed the use for the -5v rail and it is no longer needed. MSI has not manufactured that motherboard to the Standard. Finding an ATX12V v2.0 power supply with the -5v might be hard to find. You should contact MSI for a compatibility list of power supplys that were tested to work with the K8N SLI Platinum.

Quote from: ccve3 on 21-May-05, 07:27:40
Wow!! syar2003 thanks for that post. I've spend an hour going through it & fasteddies links. Now I are a power expert. The dual rail argument is enough for me to go back to the MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum SLI with one of the single rail PS -5V units listed by fasteddie. The only question left now refers to computerpro3 recommendation on ultra power supplies for SLI
>>I quite simply wouldn't dream of putting anything else in my machine. Keep in mind, this section is for 2x 6800 models, not the 6600's which most any good psu will handle (like Antec Neopower, ocz 520, etc). . Pc Power and Cooling 510 Deluxe SLI edition (refer to list)
2. Zippy/Emacs 550-700w models
3. OCZ 600w (personally I would get the pcp&c for the price, but it's been proven here, so I'll be fair...).
These are really high end, expensive and only 3-4 choices. Since I'm getting one 6800GT and eventually another & possibly eventually a 4800 X2, I was hoping the OCZ 520W would do it but computerpro3 says Powermaster 520 isn't good enough for SLI. I found that there is an OCZ 600W ATX12 dual rail which surprisingly has a -5V rail needed for K8N Neo4 SLI Soundblaster. Will this meet computerpro3's preference for a high end PS for SLI systems even though I'm losing the 1 rail advantage. Maybe the 600 Watts just overwhelms the 1 rail/2 rail question.
Thanks again for the teriffic help
Regards, Ron
Wondering what you settled on. I got the Antec TP550 and it's flawless on the board. I even have the older 20pin model which works perfectly (including sound). If you really wanted what I would consider to be a top dog (pcpower and cooling), and find the -5v rail missing, all you have to do is place a phone order and request they add a -5v rail. It's a minimal cost and a total solution for having everything. Just my $0.02

MSI K8N Neo4 FI Compatible with AMD 3800+ X2?

I just bought:
MSI K8N Neo4 FI
AMD Athlon 64 3800+ X2
Gainwood 7800GT Golden Sample
hec Pb-480PB 480W
Problem is that i don't get a picture when i start the computer.
Everything seems to work, all the cables are plugged in.
The gfx has power from the cable.
Can it be that the motherboard dosen't recognize the CPU, and that won't give my a picture?
Help would be appreciated.

That should be enough to start the computer. It has two +12V rails, which are of good enough ampage.
Now it looks to me like it needs a newer BIOS version to recognise the CPU.
See: http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/bios/bos/spt_bos_detail.php?UID=651&kind=1 I think this is your motherboard?!
You'll need another A64 CPU to flash the BIOS though.
Just to settle akhille's mind, you could also try a better PSU.

Newly Built System. MSI K8N Neo4/SLI Plat with AMD X2 3800 Crashing in all Games

I just built this system yesterday..
MSI K8N Neo4/SLI Plat with AMD X2 3800 latest BIOS 3.7 amd MB drivers
I have a Albatron Geforece 7800 GT PCI-E 256Mgs with the latest Drivers. 78
WINXP SP2 latest stuff.
DirectX 9.0C
I have 2 512 DDR3500 Memory Sticks.
SATA 160 Hard Drive
DVD 8X NEC Burner
All 3d games lok it up. 3DMark2001 SE locks it up too.
I ran Memtest and everything passed fine.
Anyway all 2d video works fine. but any 3d video screen goes black and the system locks up solid.
Any help work be appriciated
DaaDoctor

Welcome to the forum DaaDoctor
If you creat a signature (in profile) it will save you having to type your spec's out each time or us looking for it. Use mine as a template.
What PSU are you using ? Can you list the power output ? (writen on side of psu)
Going from your specs you listed your graphics card is very hungery on power so I would suggest your psu isn't up to the job under load.
Post the spec and we will know for sure.

MSI K8N-Neo4 and PCI-E x4

Hi Folks,
I've got an MSI K8N-Neo4 (MS-7125) motherboard that I'm looking to add a RAID card to. It's got a PCI-Express x4 slot on the board that I'd like to utilize. However, I've seen some conflicting information regarding it's use. In the manual on page 2-26 it states "PCI Express x4 Slot (Support PCI-E x2 device Only)". However when I look at the webpage for the board at http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K8N_Neo4_Platinum& it makes no mention of this limitation.
The main reason why I'm wondering is because I'd like to add a HighPoint RocketRAID SATA raid controller to my system. If the slot can handle x4 cards, then I'll purchase the 2310 model, which is an x4. If it cannot, then I'll purchase the 2300, which is an x2 model. I've seen some mentions of other people on the forums with K8N-Neo4 boards using the 2320 (an x4 card with 8 SATA ports instead of 4 on the 2310), but haven't seen what sort of bandwidth they're getting. Are you actually able to get PCI-E x4 bandwidth out of this port? Or will it downgrade it to PCI-E x2 or PCI-E x1 (the PCI-E spec says that when cards a plugged into a different size port they only need to be supported at x1)? Or, and even better question, will it even work?
Thanks for any help you can provide.

Quote from: Bas on 09-July-06, 07:25:26
Those are not different then from what's on the motherboard
Want a real one? Look at this: >>Real one!<<
That's real raid controller.....
What you mention is just the same as the onboard stuff.
As for the Linux raid stuff, I presume you mean the Linux Software raid, no those controllers aren't that good, but the High-points aren't that good either.
Heck, they don't even have their own CPU or memory.....the one I showed you has and is WAY faster
(PS. sample given is PCIx, won't fit your board, but that's a raid controller!)
Okay, that still doesn't answer my question about the PCI-E slot. You make a decent point, but I was more using the Highpoints as an example and because they came up in several searches of the forum. For the sake of getting a real answer, lets assume it is a real RAID card, such as the PROMISE SuperTrak EX8350 RTL, which according to the Serial ATA on Linux page is a real raid card and all that. Will it work in the PCI-E x4 slot on the MSI K8N-Neo4 Platinum or not?
All I really want to know is if the slot can actually run a PCI-E x4 card or not. The documentation contradicts itself.

Seagate Barracuda 7200 160gb Won't Mount

I have a Seagate Barracuda 7200 160gb from a PowerMac G5. It spins up just fine. Sounds normal but is not mounting. I have used a Manhattan USB Dock, A Universal USB Drive Adapter. I had it mounted once externally and ran Disk Repair on it, and it still would not mount in the G5. I even took it to a local data recovery shop and they can't see it either. I've read a lot online about possibly replacing the PDB Circuit Board or the BIOS chip. I've also ran Disk Warrior - doesn't see it.
Is there a way to check what is actually the issue? BIOS, Board, Corrupted OS, etc.?
Tomorrow I'm calling Seagate to see if they can do anything. Basically I'm trying to get the data off of it for someone, then get a new drive and install then migrate assist if possible.
Thanks for any help

why would I need another drive.
To scavenge the board.
You can't just slap any old board on there.
The same model and the same firmware are the general requirements for board swaps to gain access to data....
Why would it need this?
The data rate limit is needed on retail drives to allow proper communication with the G5 controller.
The G5 controller and Seagate retail drives have a nasty history. One, the limit jumper is needed, but NCQ was enabled by default, and later, so was SSC. Neither of these features is compatible with the G5 controller.
It is the drive that was shipped with it when he bought it brand new from Apple.
Hmmm, my ESP wasn't working as well as it usually does.....
If the drive is OEM Apple shipped, then it has Apple firmware which changes jumper requirements.

New build: MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum + maxtor 300gb = problem?

Got these 2 products included in a order:
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum nForce4 Ultra (Socket 939)
Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 10 NCQ 300GB
While checking up on the MB on the MSI site, I noticed a version of the bios (1.2) that says 'support for 300gb maxtor drives'
That's the same HD one I have coming with my order >.<
If the MB I get hasn't got that version of the bios already installed will I have trouble installing the drive?!
I downloaded the bios and it says in the readme not to install it from a floppy disk, so I guess you need a system up and running to make that update in the 1st place. No Idea how to go about this, if the need arises.

Quote from: Supershanks on 19-May-05, 21:45:00
Hi drjugears,
Welcome to the forum.
Many people are runnimg ok anyway as dope says.
But it's not an issue you can update the bios via floppy b4 connecting the maxtor.
See Flashing the BIOS for Users using NON FAT file system This is a guide written by msi. Strictly speaking if you folow the instructions you aren't flashing from a floppy the actual update is done on a virtual drive in memory.
if you need a floppy boot disc see Why no floppy for bios flash?
luck with build
Thanks very much for the welcome and info.
Unfortunately I'll have to wait a while to see...I installed everything....but need some adapter for the 6pin connecter on the ATI card. The power supply came with some 8 pin one. So I need a 4 to 6 pin adapter. Doubt If I'll find one local, so will probably have to wait until monday now to try it out.

MSI K8N Neo4-F + Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 120Gb PATA = PIO

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