MSI K8N Neo4 SLI motherboard: Creative Onboard Sound

Hello all,
This is my first time on this forum, and I hope you all can help me. I have an MSI K8N Neo 4 SLI board. It comes with Onboard Creative 24bit sound.
Now, lately I have had problems with it. One day, it just stopped working. I thought it was somewhat weird and just reinstalled the drivers. It worked for a while longer and eventually quit again. Well, it was time for a reformat anyway, so I thought a clean installation of drivers would solve the problem. Well, it didn't. Now, I have downloaded the latest drivers from the MSI website, and they allowed the sound to work for one evening, but this morning it is dead again. My computer says that all hardware is working fine. I havn't had a bluescreen, and the music plays in the Windows Media Player, I just can't hear it through the speakers. My speakers do work fine because I have tried many different speakers, and none of them change the dead silence outcome. I hope my onboard sound is not dead! Please reply if you know anything else that I can do...

I didn't want to start a new thread with the same topic, usually get flamed everywhere else for that...
Anway
AMD Athlon XP 64 3500 socket 939
2gb PC3200 Ram (1 x 1gb / 2 x 512mb sticks )
ATI Radeon X800XT PCI Express
3 x 250GB SATA western digital drives
Windows XP Professional with latest service packs etc...
Got the latest motherboard bios from live update,latest creative drivers from their website etc...
**Edit** also worth mentioning my system starts very slowly if I have my onboard sound enabled and doesn't run at what I'd call 'normal' if I turn it off in the bios my system works perfectly.

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picture from Hardocp(chip at lower right):
http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTEwNzMxNTk1OEc0eDNITDVkeFVfMV81X2wuanBn
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