MSI K8T and 3400+ HUGE problem

I'm in computers since 1993 and I've never had a single problem I was unable to deal with. But my last 4 days have become a nightmare . I guess it's finaly time to ask someone for help.
So I descided to make an upgrade and got myself a MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R motherboard and a AMD 64 3400+ Clawhammer CPU. The expected from me 10-minute long upgrade operation became as I already said 4-day long and I still don't see light in the tunnel.
So what the problem is - I put together the hardware but when I pressed the power up button I got "Bios not installed" message at start up along with "CMOS settings wrong" and "If you have built SATA Raid array prevoiusly go to p20378 SATA controller set as raid".
Press F1 to enter setup
Press F2 to load defualt values and continue
If I go into bios and set the time etc. and reboot the system it hangs. The PC seems to reset but the monitor shuts down so I don't know if the PC is hanging or I'm losing the signal to my monitor?
If I press F2 Windows XP loads up fine but I can not change my agp setting etc. as the system fails to boot after saving bios config and I have to clear the CMOS using the jumper in order for me to restart the machine. When I shut down the machine in XP I still have to clear the Cmos in order to boot.
Even if I'm willing to clear the CMOS every time I want to turn my PC on there's still another problem. After eventualy Windows XP loads the CPU is running on rediculous 800 MHz instead of 2200 MHz. The problem is the multiplier which is set on x4 and won't move from this possition. The problem is not Cool'n'Quite because I don't have the software for it installed under Windows XP. And using the BIOS default settings by pressing the F2 button in the begining I guess is turning the Cool'n'Quite off in the BIOS.
I updated the BIOS and all the drivers to the last from the MSI webite using the last version of Liveupdate 3.
I even tried changing the Cmos battery even though the MoBo is brand new. Still same thing.
Pleaseeeee give me some ideas of how to sort the problems out. I'm really geting MENTALY unstable

Hello again and thank you for the quick respond. I'll start with the system specs first:
MB MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R(601-6702-010)
CPU AMD Athlon 64 3400+ Code name Clawhammer Brand ID 4 (Core Speed 801.8MHz, Multiplier x 4.0 HTT 200.4) - CPZ v 1.31 results
CPU Cooler Gigabyte 3D Rocket PCU22-se
GC nVidia 6800 GT 256 MB (Leadtek)
RAM 1x 512 MB Corsair Value PC 3200 / 1x 512 MB MTec PC2700
HDD 30 GB 2 MB Cache 7200 rpm Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 8 ATA/133 on IDE 1 with jumper set as Master
HDD 160 GB 8 MB Cache 7200 rpm Seagate Barracuda Ultra ATA on the same cable attached to IDE 1 but with jumper set on Slave
CD-RW Drive LG 52x24x52 GCE-8520B
DVD Drive LG GDR8162B
PSU Jeantech 450 W http://www.jeantech.com/450.htm
... and a floppy
Now to answer on your questions 1 by 1.
First of all the fisrt thing to do after the software war was to change the Cmos battery with a new one and try - no good - still the same problem.
Second - The PSU I belive is sufficient. And Yes I have the 4 pin/12 V power connector for the CPU power connected.
The D-Bracket - after I start the computer it gets to the screen with the F1 setup or F2 load default and continue. As I said before if I press F1 and make all the BIOS settings as time, date, sequence etc. and press Save changes to BIOS and Exit the PC seems to reset but the monitor shuts down. At this time D-Bracket indicates "Early Chipset Initialization" (Upper left light in green and the rest in red) and stays like this forever. After I clear the Cmos it starts again and it gets to the same screen with the message "CMOS settings wrong" and the 2 choices F1 setup or F2 load default and continue.
Fourth - I don't have any SATA drives at all.
About memtest - I got the banks of RAM from my WORKING PC and just installed them the new MoBo. And because one of them is 333 DDR I descided to remove it and try with only the Corsair one which is 400 DDR. I tried and vice versa too - still the same problem.
As I said before if I choose F2 and load the default BIOS settings Windows XP loads and the PC is stable - no random resets or any unstability problems whatsoever. Problem is the CPU is working on only 800 MHz - because of the x4.0 multiplier.
That's all I can say. Please give me some advise - I haven't had normal sleep for 5 days already - I just can't accept the fact that I can't manage to sort out my problem. Thanks again!

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