MSI K9A2 with Phenom 9500 problems

I've been asking MSI technical support some questions and after a day or two they just delete the post without giving a reason, so this is nagging me now.
Firstly, I've tried BIOS 1.0, 1.1, P0C, P0D and 113 BETA. The latter is the best one and I'm using it right now.
Problems are many:
1) Before I have booted up at NB frequency 3.1GHz and P95 4-cores over 1hr20mins no problems and ran over 30 benchmarks. Now suddenly I cannot bootup at even NB frequency above 2GHz. 
I've booted over 2GHz NB frequency over 60 times neched/tortured stable on stock volts so that can't be the problem. This messes up overclocking completely.
2) I have booted up HT reference clocks of 266MHz maximum. No crash. Now I can't even boot up 241MHz 
What is happening, is the source code having problems?
3) Why does AMD OverDrive 2.10 freeze my system if I start it? Why does it suddenly crash my system at stock? Enthusiasts have said its MSI BIOS issue. Whenever I change a single value in there or press "Apply" it will freeze my system. Any fix?
4) Do you have any BETA BIOSes that I can test or modded BIOS yet? I will test them for you if you want because I'm testing this system now and need them. Yes I know the issues with BETA etc, I'm an ex-programmer.
5) Why can I not run DDR2-1066 or higher than ratio 1:2? This is so limiting. Why is there no option for tRC higher than 26?
6) Why can I not run HT from 2GHz-2.6GHz?
7) Why can I not change CPU VID and if so, why does the system not POST?
8) Why can I at times bootup 265MHz HT ref., bench it perfect, pass stability testing and at other time randomly the system will not boot up even if 1MHz above 200MHz?  >:(
8) Why does CPU/HT speed downclock if I set NB speed higher than 2GHz or NB multi higher than 9x?
*** Is there any fix to any of the above? I would like some information as soon as you can please, to know what Phenom performs like to sell it or keep it before Xmas.
Thank you in advance. And FYI yes I know how to overclock using MSR Editor/Memset/AOD/AM2+ P-State Values/WPCREDIT, its dangers, how teh NB/HT/CPU speed and voltages are worked out etc. Mmy system is very well cooled in ambient 2-4C and I've only needed stock volts on everything to get 2904MHz screenable, 2860MHz benchable yet. But suddenly, after flashing this BIOS, things have gotten bad. 

Thanks for the replies.
Quote from: AaronYuri on 05-December-07, 17:02:13
Increasing the memory controller's operating frequency will increase performance for sure, but having the HyperTransport speed higher than 1GHz is pointless.
Firstly, the HT frequency can never run above the NB frequency on Phenoms. The system will always make sure the NB frequency is higher than the HT frequency. So to get 2GHz-2.6GHz HT, we have to have high NB speed at 2-2.6GHz or above. But I can't increase NB frequency past 2GHz at all. I can't change NB and CPU VID which AMD said should be changeable and allows overclocking properly. They said its a BIOS problem. And having high HT is supported by Phenoms and should be easy. Which means either the BIOS/board is buggy or the CPU is buggy.
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What other people get doesn't mean you will get the same results; overclocking is a gamble. Give the system some time to breath, run it at stock for a few days, then try overclocking again.
I've had it for 3rd week now and gave it time, first two weeks stock. I think that's long enough. I know it's a gamble, but HT 2.6GHz is not a gamble, it's basic specs it should do with ease. Same with DDR2-1066. The board cannot run anything above  divider 1:2 and HT ref. is stuck at 260MHz for the CPU. Which means I cannot run above DDR2-1040 which is still less than my RAM rated speed. I also cannot run the tRC needed for those speeds. BIOS gives no options for it above 24. AMD said it's the BIOS bug.
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The default HT 3.0 speed is 3600MT/s which I believe converts to 2600MHz. Try running the HyperTransport @ 2.6GHz so a x13 multi, then run everything else at stock. Try to see if everything clocks correctly and that the system is stable at stock.
At stock the system runs:
2200MHz CPU speed
200MHz HT ref.
5x 1000MHz HT link
1800MHz NB speed
I can't do above ~1980 on HT and NB no matter what BIOS/OD setting I choose. Absolutely no way, the system will either not POST or downclock automatically. :(
Quote from: Quadrifoglio Verde
Have you read about the Phenom's L3 cache bug? Could be a cause of crashes and what not...
Yes. I've been thinking the same thing but how can I be sure if it's the CPU that's buggy?
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Other answers:
2) Reference clock of 300 here with considerable ease, BIOS 1.0. Might be the cpu that's holding you back...
Yep, it's CPU. My X2 5000 BE can do 400 on the board easy. Maybe more, I've only booted with it 3 times just to check.
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7) By CPU VID you mean Vcore? Only CPU voltage setting available in BIOS, works fine here.
CPU VID is the Voltage ID to each individual core. It decides the Amps fed to each core and is locked on some systems and unlcoked on others AFAIK. It's different to VCore.
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*edit*
Seems like this L3 cache bug might cause your Hyper Transport querks:
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...We tested at a 2.3GHz core clock with a 2.0GHz north bridge clock, because AMD told us those speeds were representative of the Phenom 9600. Our production samples of the Phenom 9500 and 9600, however, have north bridge clocks of 1.8GHz. Because the L3 cache runs at the speed of the north bridge, this clock plays a noteworthy role in overall Phenom performance. We've already confirmed lower scores in some benchmarks...
Source
Does AMD Overdrive provide you with the option to toggle the bug fix on/off?
Hmm.. it looks like I cannot run anything above 1980 on NB or HT anymore.  NB frequency really does increase perf. I've tested 2GHz-3.1GHz before last week.
Quote from: BOSSKILLER
Make sure that you have installed this CPU Driver with Phenom support: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=111451.0
/* else lockups can be expected, when trying to manipulate freq. or during program initializing */
I've had it installed since I got this board.
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Other recommendation, switch to SP3(google for it)
Yea but what if that gives me more problems? It'll leave me no where. At least now I know that its not the OS giving me problems. 

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