MSI K9AGM4-L - Strange freezing issue with games

I built this low budget computer for my friend, and it has a strange bug. The parts are:
MSI K9AGM4-L motherboard
X2 64 4600+ AM2 processor + stock cooler
2 x 1gb Kingston 667 DDR2
PNY 7600GT PCI-E
Antec Solo Quiet case + 12cm fan
HEC 350W power
Tested with WinXP SP2 and Vista 64Bit
Bug: Everything works ok, but everytime I start a game (IL-2 1946 for example) it freezes continuosly.
OK, I thought it was a temp issue, but...
- I've played IL-2 1946 for over 200 hours with that card, when it was on my own computer and it never had any issues. I have the exact same Antec case on my own computer, with one 12cm fan.
- That power doesn't feel hot at all after it has been on for over an hour or so.
- Processor temp never exceeds 47-49C when playing, so can't be it either.
- SATA harddrive temp is 47C according to "Everest".
The only thing that seems hot to touch is the NB heatsink (which is very small on this mobo, btw). So I made this test: I used an open case and put this huge 40cm fan next to it and played the game. It still started to freeze even though the heatsink wasn't very hot.
I also thought it's something with the drivers/software, so I tested everything with Vista 64bit + different drivers/software, didn't help. Also I tested one ATI card, same symptoms.
I also checked that the NB heatsink is properly seated.
SO.... any ideas what can cause this? Is it the NB afterall, that needs a better heatsink...or?
Any help to solve this will be welcomed, thanks in advance.

"But I've ran a P4 2.8 computer with that PSU for over a year without any issues at all."
That doesn't prove anything. Don't trust to cheap PSU's.
Also for your current build its too weak:
HEC-350LD-T. AC Input: 115/230V~, 50~60Hz, 8/5A, Fuse Rating: T8AL, 250V~.
DC Output: +3.3V~20A, +5V~33, +12V~15A. +5Vsb~2A, -5V~1A, -12V~1A. MAX OUTPUT POWER: 350W. +5V&3.3V Combined 180W.
Get a single rail PSU with high amperes on +12V +30A or above.
Add-on to read:
>>> PSU's---2 x 12v---The Dual Rail Myth <<<
>>> Is your problem caused by your PSU? <<<
Good PSU suggestions:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=112039.msg836246#msg836246
"with that PSU for over a year"
One more reason to be suspicion.

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    Mainboard:  MS-1727
    PCB Version:  REV:1.0
    BIOS Version: E1727IMS.106
    BIOS Date:  02.01.2010
    EC-FW Version: 

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    Message was edited by: DocturKnowles

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    Correct
    Quote from: Maesus on 10-May-06, 23:08:36
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    [/quote]

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