MSI KT4 ULTRA-BFISR + Ati Radeon 9700 pro = not good??

Hello everybody!
First of all, i youst have to say that i think MSI have the best motherboards....
Here's the problem (i haven't buyed anything yet!):
I am going to buy MSI KT4 ULTRA-BFISR and ATI Radeon 9700 Pro, but i have read many places that Radeon aint working with MSI KT4-based cards! Im am going to buy an 520W Power (i aint so good in english so i hope you now what i write :D )
I am also going to buy 2 x Cosair pc3500 xms ram... Is this one working with the motherboard by the way?
But my question is: Will the Ati Radeon 9700 pro work with this card? (i must remember to buy the 1.3 version!) I am gonna get my Radeon 9700 pro from USA, how can i now when i order that is an 1.3 card?
Thank you for answering! :]

I think also that even there is two drivers, that is not a reaseon why it isn't work. One time I install only standard VGA drivers, but result was that I got two standard VGA driver. 8o
First time I try without VIA drivers, then with 4.42 and 4.43 VIA drivers. Result was almost same all the time, it always crash when Nature test start, but this exist also to older mobo (Abit KT7A-RAID). Problem exits few games they lock up or stuttering. Ati demos works fine, but one time that car demo stuttering a lot, but I transfer data at same, so I'm not sure what was reason.
This moment I don't have possibilities to try Hyperion 4.45 drivers or something else, because it's my friend computer.
MSI KT4V 6712 (Bios 1.0)
AMD Athlon 1.2
512 MB DDR 333 RAM
SoundBlaster Live
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro (Club3D)
Power 300W
Realtek Ethernet card
Samsung 40GB harddrive
Samsung DVD
VIA 4.42 and 4.43
WIN98

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I'm having a problem with my Powercolor 9700 Radeon Pro. My system will simply not power when i plug this video card in (no power supply start, no posting beeps, nothing).
The 9700 pro card I have will work fine on another PC that I have with a lesser power supply and lesser cpu so I know the card is ok. My Geforce3 card works fine in the new 865PE computer, so it seems the MSI board/AGP slot is ok.
I've tried unplugging all peripherals (HDDs, CD, DVD drives) and still no power up when the 9700 is plugged into the power supply.
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+12v - 17A
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PCI/AGP speed (PCI clock) - 66.33/33.33
PCI latency timer - 32
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AGP aperature - 64MB
Dynamic overclocking - off
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hyperthreading - disabled
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I read that some folks have recommended setting the AGP down to 4x, although for the life of me, I cannot find a way to do that in bios or anywhere else.
Does this power supply sound acceptable? Do the 9700's draw their power off the 12v circuit? If this PS is weak, then what +12v amp. should I aim for?
Does anyone have any ideas of any of issues that might cause my system to not power up like this?
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Thanks for responding Sean,
I did try upping the AGP voltage to 1.6v while only having the the 9700 card attached to the power supply. Same result, no power-up what so ever.
The other computer's video drivers are were the standard windows vga drivers. I don't think that really is a problem since I can't get the computer/power supply to even come on, let alone load windows.
What baffles me is that I have a geforce3 agp card that works fine in the neo2, and the 9700 works fine in another computer. Other then the power supply, or a problem/setting with the mainboard, I can't imagine what the problem is. The thing is, I don't want to shell out $100 for a power supply until I know that'll fix it.
thanks

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512mb 333DDR Ram
30BG Maxtor HD 133ata
Creative PC-DVD Drive
1 Generic Floppy
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And freezes in OpenGl,
9700 Pro freezes and locks up in EVERY D3D Game I have attempted to Play.
I have tried 4 different sets of 9700 Pro drivers, tried different versions of Direct X (8.1, 8.2, 9.0 RC0)
Have disabled Fast Write and many other bios options.
Have RMA'd for 2 different ATI cards, still getting
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Ouch,
I feel bad for you - I also have the same mobo and want to get a Radeon 9700 - I think I had seen you posting well on Rage3d with the same config, what happened?
What I would try next is what some users have done as a possible workaround...It looks like the radeon 9700 on the MSI KT4 likes HIGH mobo fsb - so you might want to try unlocking your 1800 and run at 10.5x166 or lower multiplier with a 166fsb...
before going 166fsb, try right now to bump your fsb with fuzzy logic up to 140-150 and see if it changes anything and report - don't go to high passed 150 though if you don't have good air cooling - also, set at least 1.775 on the cpu vcore going after 140fsb...if this does not help, then you might want to try what I put above...
Also, increase your PCI Latency to 64 in the bios (default is 32) - this is no risk really, so try that as well...
**** Of course before overclocking with the fsb, turn off Spread Spectrum in the bios...
If you increase the fsb, you will also need to increase DDR vcore to 2.6 am recommending...I've done that with my KT4VL and worse for different purposes...
Also, you might want to increase agp voltage a bit and see if it changes anything...
You're not done yet - looks like some users were able to run the same config so you never know...
Be careful when you OC, if you're not sure - ask first and take your time
Put your ram on SPD setting in the bios when you start bumping that fsb....
If I can find the post, I will put it here but some KT4 user has to do this (increasing fsb) to get his 9700 to work great...
Hope this helps,
--fibo
Also, go and post to the amdforums msi, as there are quite a few msi kt4vl users there...
Also here is the post at rage3d with successful runs:
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After a few months of relatively trouble free gaming with KT4 Ultra and Radeon 9700 Pro, I was shocked to find recently that my PC began to crash after only a few minutes of gameplay. 8o
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After installing drivers as 'best' I could, the problem remained the same.
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It's unfortunate that most of the new hardware seems to pump out heat. The ATI 9700 pro use about 100W of power on it's own. The whole system puts out enough heat to warm a small room.
I have noticed that the heatsink on the ATI card gets very hot, even though it has a fairly serious fan on it (the fan on my Sapphire card is a lot like a blue orb).
I am wondering if a lot of problems with these setups are thermal. I have the KT4 Ultra and ATI 9700 pro and it has not given problems at all.
I have (from past experience) installed plenty of cooling in my case (a full tower, that helps too). I find that the cooler everything as kept, the less problems there are.
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Hello
i was curious to know of any problems with the Kt4 ultra motherboard and the Radeon 9800 pro??
my system constantly crashes back to the desktop, or completely locks when i play Command & Conquer Renegade.
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i have also tried the drivers from driverheaven.net, but same thing happens,...
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kt4 ultra
antec 380 true ps
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1) Download the latest catalyst drivers from ATI
2) Set monitor to lowest possible standard (640 x 480, 16 colours if possible - in my case my digital monitor could not be set lower than 800 x 600)
3) Uninstall drivers for existing video card
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5) Install ATI drivers
6) restore settings on monitor to maximum.
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645 Ultra-C and ATI Radeon 9000 Pro

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I have a 645 Ultra-C with P4 1.7mhz attached to it. It has 640mb of RAM, Audigy 2, and brand new ATI Radeon 9000 pro. It's running WindowsXP
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I am using the driver I downloaded from the ATI web site along with the ATI control panel software also downloaded from the ATI site. The drivers are the latest.
I am able to regain stability by disabling hardware acceleration in Display Properties. This is less then ideal.
I'm using version 7.2.0.1130 of the AGP driver. I'm not sure which BIOS rev, it would be the one the motherboard shipped with. However I'm unable to flash the BIOS really since I do not have access to a 98/ME box. As I understand it I can only flash the BIOS from a 98/Me startup floppy on a non-FAT machine. LiveUpdate gives me an error message about the service not being started and that LiveUpdate only works with MSI graphics cards.
In the BIOS I’ve switched the primary video card from PCI to AGP. I’ve even downgrade from AGP 4x to APG 2x using the AGP utility.
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[Athlon64] MSI K8T NEO-V : incompatibility with ATI RADEON 9800 PRO

Hi,
I read all the subjets on this forum about Radeon problems with MSI K8T NEO motherboard. Most of the peple can't use their graphic card in all situations.
My PC is :
-MSI K8T NEO-V
-AMD-64 3200
-Power : 400W
-ATI RADEON 9800 PRO
-1 Go DDRAM (2x512 in single channel)
-Hercules Digifires 7.1
I bought a new MSI K8T NEO-V with AMD 64.
The problem is that I can't use the computer in the games with AGP 8X even if I try to enable-disable all the options possibles in BIOS and Windows (fast write ...) : The computer freeze (screen disapear as if there was no video signal), reboot or return to Windows disabling the accelerated mode.
But in AGP 4X, all the game run without problem with all setups of BIOS !!!
I tried all the drivers (the new and the old drivers). Even if all are updated, it freeze.
There are no BIOS update for my motherboard. I saw that some people had BIOS update for compatibility with some Radeon cards ...
So, I don't know how to repair the problem because AGP 8X is AGP 8X and not 4X, and my Radeon run fine on other computer, and nothing say that Radeon 9800 pro don't run on this motherboard.
Does someone have the solution to make it work ? Does a new BIOS or driver update exist somewhere for Radeon cards ?

What Bas said about 30+ amps on the 12v rail does have merit. Even if you don't use it now there may come a time when you want to upgrade the system and certainly you won't want to buy yet another PSU then. A High end vid card now takes almost as much as the CPU to operate. Now days the 12v rail is the most important. Past systems regulated everything off the 5v railk and 12v was used mostly for powering drive motors. Now though the MB's use the 12v line to regulate all the voltages for the CPU, Chipset and other features as does the Vid cards. 3.3 volt lines are used for memory so we hardly use any 5v nowdays.
You have an older viod card and that does not eat much 12v but if you upgrade the most likely peice will be the vid card. You could go through this whole thing all over again if you are not careful to plan for that now with a new PSU purchase.
If the computer shop gives you a bunch of bull about power needs havbe them stop by the forum and we can help set them straight on this. There is more than enough data from MSI and historical data here that suggests that 16a on the 12v rail is certainly not enough. Hey I am not trying to sell you anything. I am just trying to help you get it right. The computer shop is the one trying to sell you something we just feel they are selling the wrong junk.

KT3 Ultra with Radeon 9700 Pro

KT3 Ultra with Enermax 350 W Whisper Quiet Power Supply will not boot up with new Radeon 9700 Pro video card, but it works fine with Radeon 7500. :(

Quote
Originally posted by Rob454
Hi,
What are your rails on your power supply.
+12v, 3.3, and 5v.
12 v = 17 A
3.3 = 32 A
5 v = 32 A
3.3 & 5 = 185 W ?(
Rob

KT4 and Radeon 9700 Pro......

Ok I found that all my 3d games lock up with any driver version, with all the via 4 in 1, trust me there is nothing I haven't checked. Another thing I found is the card works great on my other pc which is not an 8x AGP motherboard. So I hear everywhere on many other forums, "turn it to 4x agp on your board and try", oh boy I sure would if that section WASN'T GREYED OUT AT AUTO!!!!!!!!!!! Please MSI, what is the point of not letting us lower the AGP speed, especially if people are reporting problems with this card and your motherboards. I figured one time, just once, I would stray from Asus and Epox and buy an MSI since it advertised 8X agp ( god knows if they tested a real 8x agp card with the board ), this has been a major mistake, and since I have to live with it, all I ask is that you put out a bios update so we can lower the agp speed. thanks

4esth,
There is no way to allow the user to manually set AGP4x on an AGP8x card on MSI KT4 Ultra.
Did you come across any other VIA KT400 boards that allow user to manually set AGP4x on an AGP8x card, please let us know. Until now I haven't found one. Or else it would serve as a good point to request MSI. But I doubt there is any at the moment.
Other than that, I would suggest you to check for the heatsink condition on the card itself. Apply some Arctic Silver III if you have, lap the core if you dare as some core GPU is not FLAT and does not have good contact with the heatsink.

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