MSI Media Live -- Mega 180 all over again???

Well, since there isn't a forum dedicated to the MSI Media Live barebones, I figured I post it here. Let me just start off by saying that I was very hesitant to buy another MSI barebones after the last overheating fiasco with the Mega 180 that I previously purchased. So, I bought the Media Live, along with 2GB of RAM and an AMD 5200+ X2 CPU and a 320GB SATA drive.
I tried installing Windows Media Center 2005. It installed but getting it to boot reliably each and every time without a blue screen proved to be an impossible task. I switched the CPU, the memory and the HD with no change. One thing that did strike me is the VGA BIOS on the system that states that it's not for production use. So, I went and purchased Vista Ultimate. That installed fine and it boots up with no blue screens which is a good thing. Of course, vista is very buggy and annoying and I would love to put MCE 2005 back on this thing. There are absolutely no driver/bios updates on the MSI Media Live barebones. I understang that it's new, but a pre-production VGA bios is unacceptable. Oh yeah, I forgot the most annoying thing about it. The front slot to feed a CD/DVD does not align properly with the actual optical drive, so when you eject cd/DVD it gets stuck. That of course is a workmanship issue. I would love to get a new front that actually works for this.

Well, the link doesn't work. It takes me to the MSI global site. Why should I contact the reseller? It's not their fault MSI has a QA problem! It's not like the flip door on the Mega 180 ever worked right anyways, did it? It's not like the Mega 180 didn't get hot as hell, but MSI continued to sell it, didn't they? Any other manufacturer would have recalled all the units instead of having posts on their forums on how to cool down your mega 180 and by the way, by following these instructions you invalidate your warranty, blah blah blah!. I mean seriously, who does that?
There is nothing to adjust on the drive cage as far as I can tell. I think it's a poorly designed front. I'm sure I'm going to end up being yet another beta tester for MSI with this unit just like I was with the Mega 180. I just wish the media live doesn't end up being the same crap that the mega 180 was.
I'm sure this topic will be censored by MSI. I hope not, because it will be re-posted on anandtech as well as hardocp and any other forums that I see fit. All I want is a properly working unit without me having to do any freaking adjustments to it. I don't think it's too much to ask from a manufacturer. I'm simply not going to take it in the rear from MSI on this one!!! Once was enough. This time I will make a big stink about it.

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