MSI Mobo + Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 Pro Problem

Hello,
I'm having unexpected reboots or crashes while playing games. This does not come from my onboard sound card because it tried another (not integrated) sound card and the problem was still here... (not an IRQ problem)
Crashes can occur 5-20 minutes after starting to play, sometimes followed by a Windows error message explaining that the VPU has reset the graphics accelerator card because it was not responding to driver commands.......
I have the lastest MSI Drivers and Bios (MSI Live Monitor), I have the lastest DirectX, tried ATI and Hercules latest drivers, tried different AGP apperture sizes and many other BIOS tweaks but nothing made a difference....
Maybe this can be due to my DDR, since I'm using 2 different (brand) 512 Mb 333/PC2700 sticks (haven't tried MemTest 3.0 yet)
System is:
Windows XP SP1
400W Ever-Power PSU (tried with a 350W Enermax PSU and didnt change anything)
2,4 Ghz 533 FSB Pentium 4
1 Gb DDR333/2700
MSI 655 Max L Motherboard
Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 Pro
onboard LAN adapter
Sound Blaster 128 PCI soundcard
Thx in advance
Darakiss

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Originally posted by NovJoe
medafor,
I not trying to pull a fast one on PSU problems, just that it may be one of the possible caused so I expected no finger pointings with regards to the previous post.
Darakiss,
The best way to get good airflow, remove your side case panel and get a good old fan to blow the hell out of it and test to confirm if it's heat concern .
Maybe thats because u didn't try the 9800PRO cards...
i have problem getting this mobo to work with my 9800pro card
especially on 8x and fastwrites enabled.
My PSU is 400W Antec. What else i can i say?

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Addition=ATI Radeon 9700 Pro displays Texture corruption, locks up
And freezes in OpenGl,
9700 Pro freezes and locks up in EVERY D3D Game I have attempted to Play.
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Have disabled Fast Write and many other bios options.
Have RMA'd for 2 different ATI cards, still getting
The same problems.
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Tried beta AGP drivers aswell.
Tried installing with minimal amounts of hardware to reduce
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I have been building my own P.C's for years. Starting with a 386sx, a huge 2mg of ram and Windows 3.11
Everything is connected as it should be.

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The Radeon mostly worked for over a year, [trouble booting cold] now it does'nt. [not with my MSI]
The card works with my old board, LEX BN790E via KT266A, 512mb, AMD XP1700+ and all extras.
that is suggesting to me either your PSU is failing, or it is a Poor PSU with over-optimistic amp ratings (eg Q-Tec). it will all appear to work fine on your older board, as that has lower power requirements, have a look in my sticky Is your problem caused by your PSU? for more info and advice.
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Could people please read the entire post and NOT just the title.
that was a bit rude. people try to help by asking questions and giving suggestions. making responses like that is more likely to make people ignore this topic. Please read and comply with the Forum Rules.

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