MSI NEO4-F, 2*512 VS512MB400 and Winchester 3000+; memory or psu problem?

My configuration:
Winchester 3000+
2*512 MB VS512MB400 not a dualkit.
MSI Neo4-F
7800GT
2 maxtor HDD:s
PSU: 3.3v=28A, 5v=30A and 12V=17A
Well to the problem.
I had to install Windows XP with just one memory stick because I was not able to do that with the Corsair dual configuration.
Only Got it to post with memorys in dimm 3 and 4, but it was not able to start properly. A bluescreen appeared after the half boot process with some bios settings or it just restarted.
Then I tried to combine the Corsair memories with an old T-xxx memory PC3200 and it worked and still works flawless.
I had the T-xxx memory in dimm 1 and the Corsair memory in dimm 3, that is the current configuration. Of natural reasons i could not use dual ddr, but it at least works.
My theorys.
Is the powersupply to weak? But I don't think so because I disconnected one of the harddrives and tried an old pci graphic card (an old sis grapcic card that probably just using 1-5 A of current) and still got the same problems. What do you think?
I have tried both Corsair memories one by one in dimm 3 (the only working dimm slot with Corsair memories) with no problems at all so Im a bit confused.
Or isnt it possible to make the above configuration to work with the Corsair memories i bought?
Thanks in advance!
/Pierre - my worst christmas present ever

Yeah,your psu is a bit weak really,17amps on the +12v rail is not enough
Especially as your running a 7800.
What voltage are you giving your ram?

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msi neo4 + 3500 winchester can't overclock

Hello All,
I'm a real newbie when it comes to overclocking. I spent some time reading through various technical threads from various forums before I decided to tweak my newly built system. Found an article by "Some1ne" on overclocking with a NEO4 Platinum and found it to be quite useful. Last night was the first time I went through with the tweakis and probably didn't do it right or at least get the best possible performance from my components. Below was what I did from the bios (1.2v) to the best of my knowledge without the system failing to post or crash when running programs or playing games. Other than 3dmark05, I haven't use any other programs to benchmark the hardware's performance.
FSB: 225 MHz
Memclock Index: 200 MHz
CL2-3-3-5 all other settings on auto
Memory voltage: 2.85V
Chipset voltage: default
CPU VID: 1.45V
CPU Voltage: 6.6% OverVID
CPU multiplier: 11x
HTT multiplier: 4x
Aggressive Timing: disabled
All "... Spread" settings: disabled
3DMark05: 5800+ (don't remember the exact score)
With the current setup I have, can someone give me some advice on how I can better tweak my system? Thanks!
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ (90nm) @2475mhz
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum
Corsair TWINX1024-3200XLPRO 1GB (225mhz 2-3-3-5)
PowerColor Radeon X850 XT OC@540mhz/1180mhz
Maxtor DiamondMax 10 250GB SATA
Plextor 716SA 16X DL DVD+/-RW SATA Drive
Thermaltake VA3000 Case
ThermalRight XP-90 with Panaflo 92mm fan
Antec NeoPower 480W PSU

Msi neo4 + 3500 winchester can't overclock

Problem
got a msi neo4 platinum with amd winchester 3500+ running on 2200mhz
want to do some overclocking to 2500-2600mhz
problem is that when i change SOMETHING in the cell menu, the MB doesnt post anymore.
even dynamic overclocking isn't working.
installed latest bios (1.2)
anyone got results with a 3500 winchester???
thanks
Olaf

Hello All,
I'm a real newbie when it comes to overclocking. I spent some time reading through various technical threads from various forums before I decided to tweak my newly built system. Found an article by "Some1ne" on overclocking with a NEO4 Platinum and found it to be quite useful. Last night was the first time I went through with the tweakis and probably didn't do it right or at least get the best possible performance from my components. Below was what I did from the bios (1.2v) to the best of my knowledge without the system failing to post or crash when running programs or playing games. Other than 3dmark05, I haven't use any other programs to benchmark the hardware's performance.
FSB: 225 MHz
Memclock Index: 200 MHz
CL2-3-3-5 all other settings on auto
Memory voltage: 2.85V
Chipset voltage: default
CPU VID: 1.45V
CPU Voltage: 6.6% OverVID
CPU multiplier: 11x
HTT multiplier: 4x
Aggressive Timing: disabled
All "... Spread" settings: disabled
3DMark05: 5800+ (don't remember the exact score)
With the current setup I have, can someone give me some advice on how I can better tweak my system? Thanks!
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ (90nm) @2475mhz
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum
Corsair TWINX1024-3200XLPRO 1GB (225mhz 2-3-3-5)
PowerColor Radeon X850 XT OC@540mhz/1180mhz
Maxtor DiamondMax 10 250GB SATA
Plextor 716SA 16X DL DVD+/-RW SATA Drive
Thermaltake VA3000 Case
ThermalRight XP-90 with Panaflo 92mm fan
Antec NeoPower 480W PSU

MY MSI 7900 GTX pci-512 , plz need ur help and openions

pc specs :
intel 3.00 G DUO core
1 gig kingston 533 MHZ, used to be 2G ( explained below )
built in audology creative sound card
MB : gigabyte , 975X
PSU :Thermaltake 420 watt u can check it here http://www.dealtime.com/xPF-Thermaltake-Thermaltake-W0062RU-TR2-Series-420W-Power-Supply-Retail-Free-2nd-Day
HD: 2x sata 300 gig each
DVD writer samsung
OS" WINXP -SP2
case : ATX A-open
moniter : 23 inch wide screen (1920x1200)
VGA: MSI 7900 GTX pci-512
all my system fully updated ( MB bios , drivers ...security updates ...etc
my story :
being a big fan of the game world of the warcraft made me always thinking of getting the best VGA cards , this lead me to the idea of upgrading my VGA from ATI x850xt to get a new MSI 7900GTX 512 PCI-E
things were great for the first 4 months , nothing was there , best ever VGA i may get and use , almost one months ago i had to install the game again due to many suddens errors ( mainly corrupted files in theg ame folder )
since then i started to have things i would never had before , what im having now is
1- game screen start to have long lines , screen freez then system crash with BOSD saying i have nvidia error dll file ,
2- my game kept always having corrupted files and i always had to reinstall ,
what i have tried are
updating , rolling back the VGA driver ( from MSI site and the NVIDIA site) , updating the BIOS of MB form gigabyte site
formatting and getting a fresh copy of winXP
reducing the clock speed to min (eventhough my card temp never passed 60 degree)
i did also a mem test on my rams , i found that my corrupted files was cuased by one of them , so when it was removed corrupted files problem was fixed , however my card still crash and nothing changed
i tired useing opengl , nosound , and reduced all VGA options to be off at the game setting , but still crash
i already contacted tech supp at MSI and used the driver they advised me to use , but nothing change ,
the VGA crash happen in a wiered way , sometimes it can stay for 6 hrs without a crash and sometimes every 3 mins
and somtimes it crash at the login screen even before i start the game
i just dont know why it was working for 4 months and crashed now
now my question , is my VGA became a dead card like my ram and i should buy a new one , was that caused by the PSU , should i get a new VGA and keep the PSU or should i get the two of them new , and is there any way to fix my VGA to make it working as before ,
btw , i have tried many 3D games and all give the same crash
ur help will realy appreciated

Quote from: sambatico on 22-January-07, 00:56:51
just noticed somthing not written on my psu box and not at the link of the PSU
it says +12v@10amp , +12v@15 amp
still dont know what that mean , is it 25 amp in total ? ( there is nothing written like total at the box )
get a better PSU, some good options can be found here:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=103299.msg757739#msg757739
its a good idea in same time to test VGA on other machine to check his status as well.

These ATI cards 9500 Pro and 9700 Pro ok for MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum and winchester cpu? Compatible?

Looking at grabbing a used ATI 9500 Pro or used 9700 Pro AGP card for my MSI Neo2 Plat since I can't use my Matrox G400.
Any problems using either of the above cards? I don't play a huge amount of 3D games so I'm not going to grab a 9800 Pro or XT or 6600GT. A 9500 or 9700 Pro would allow me to play the newer games at reasonable resolutions. Just want to make sure they are compatible.
thanx

Ok guys, thanx for the feedback. I missed the 9500 Pro sale, so maybe its for the better. If I'm going to try a bit of 3D gaming, I may aswell get a little bit better card. So here is my question for you folks:
For my MSI K8N Neo2 and AMD64 3000+ system, I want a card that will have good 2D output and good DVD playback. I want to try some 3D games, but don't want to have the minimum. I was looking at used 9500 Pro's and the 9600 XT but I've come across a used 9700 Pro and a 9800 Pro and 9800 Pro with r360 core (almost a 9800XT). So if I get a 9700 Pro, what will I be able to play smoothly at what settings and what will I be unable to play. Ultimately, I may play mostly on my projector at 858 x 484, so maybe the cards don't matter too much. If I don't play 3D games much after a while, I'll probably downgrade, but I want to give it a try. I can't afford a new 9800 Pro/XT or 6600GT.
Used cards I'm deciding between. Have to act fast.
9700 Pro $170 CAD or 9800Pro $210 CAD or 9800 with r360 core $230. Price differences between the cards is as you see there.
thanx in advance for any feedback,

Multiplier 9 with high HTT on MSI NEO4 bugged?

Hi guys,
I have a strange problem with this board.
First my system:
3000+ winnie (No sub-zero bug!)
MSI NEO4 Platinum (Bios 1.2B)
2x512MB GSKILL PC4400
I can run prime stable at 300x9 (180MHz devider).
Under the prometeia I have the oppurtunity to go further.
I hit the 322x9 =2900MHz also prime stable.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~famchow/A64_3.../Prime_2.90.JPG
But after some time, on every moment it give me a BSOD and reboot.
In the bios a max. can set 310MHz in bios to get windows booted, higher I can boot in the bios but reboot before the windows loading screen.
I tryed every settings HTT X1 , 2, 3 and the bandwidth 16/16 8/8. Still nogo.
BUT, when I use MP8, I can boot into windows with HTT 330MHz!!!...
Is this a bios problem or something else?? Maybe this is something for the MSI bios engineers.
THnx
BTW:
to MSI engineers: Check the memory timings settings.
Read preamble, Max async and Trc /Tfrc arent correct when setting. I checked this with A64 tweaker in windows.

I have exactly the same problem. No problem with no OC, MemTest-86 and Prime95 ok.
I saw a excellent article on anandtech.com: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=1497607&enterthread=y
First I tries to detect the max HTT/FSB. According to this article I put the CPU multi to 6, the memory to SPD, 2T and memoryclock to 100.
HTT to 4.0. CPU spread spectrum, PCI-e spread spectrum and SATA to disabled. Vcore 1.50V and Vmem 2.60V
FSB 200 en 210 ok. Then FSB 220 the BIOS doesn't start anymore. THe power- and the HDD-led lights continuous and no image on the screen.
I have to reset the BIOS with the button on the board to get back to normal.
I haven't tried Clockgen. As soon as I have results a report back.
My system specs:
BeQuiet Powersupply 400W, +12V 20A
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum BIOS 1.1
Winchester 3200+
Leadtek Geforce 6600GT
2 x 512MB Crusial Ballistic PC3200
120 Gb Maxtor
Windows XP Pro S2
nVidia nForce4 standalone driver v6.39

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I have exactly the same problem. No problem with no OC, MemTest-86 and Prime95 ok.
I saw a excellent article on anandtech.com: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=1497607&enterthread=y
First I tries to detect the max HTT/FSB. According to this article I put the CPU multi to 6, the memory to SPD, 2T and memoryclock to 100.
HTT to 4.0. CPU spread spectrum, PCI-e spread spectrum and SATA to disabled. Vcore 1.50V and Vmem 2.60V
FSB 200 en 210 ok. Then FSB 220 the BIOS doesn't start anymore. THe power- and the HDD-led lights continuous and no image on the screen.
I have to reset the BIOS with the button on the board to get back to normal.
I haven't tried Clockgen. As soon as I have results a report back.
My system specs:
BeQuiet Powersupply 400W, +12V 20A
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum BIOS 1.1
Winchester 3200+
Leadtek Geforce 6600GT
2 x 512MB Crusial Ballistic PC3200
120 Gb Maxtor
Windows XP Pro S2
nVidia nForce4 standalone driver v6.39

Msi Neo4-Fi Temperature Freeze/Shut down

I have the following motherboard: MSI Neo4-Fi
The system was working fine for 2 months. Now the temperature is instantly increases 10-15 C after starting the PC-Mark test, and increases more in this great heat.
The computer stops on 65-70 C. Everest measure at aux temp 78C, what is this?
I have checked the cooling, and changed it two times.
The computer is on 52 C at start in bios.
Memtest and ghost freezes too after the start.
The computer contains the following particles:
MSI Neo4-Fi
Athlon 64 3200+ E6 Rev. Stock cooler
Chenbro Gaming Bomb Case (1*12cm, 2*8cm fan)
MSI 7600GS VGA Card (Idle temp 36C)
2x512MB Corsair Value Select PC3200
Chieftec 410W PSU (Delta Construction)
WD 320GB Sata HDD
Plextor Pata DVD+-RW
Could This be a Motherboard failure ??!??

forget about the fan blowing on the mobo, it doesn't lower the CPU temperature. you will have to take the heatsink and fan off the CPU, make sure that the plastic foil doesn't cover the thermal compound. clear whatever thermal paste is left on the CPU and heatsing and reapply a thin layer of thermal paste (arctic silver 5 is prefered). put the heatsink back on the CPU, and make sure that you connect the CPU fan to the mobo.
with 40C in the room, my winchester would never go higher than 52C, overclocked and under full load, with the stock cooling, so you definately have a problem there. if the computer freezes or shuts down, it is because of the thermal sensor from the CPU.

Strange HTT bugs with Neo4/Platinum SLI on Athlon64 .09 Winchester Core

Hey..
I am setting up my new Neo4, and I've run into some very strange non-overclocked behaviour with the AMD64 Winchester core CPU. This does not happen with my Clawhammer CPU on the Neo4, and it also doesn't happen with the same Winchester CPU on two other different nForce4 boards I've tried. So it appears to be a problem with this MSI Neo4 board only.
When I run default non-overclocked settings of 5x HTT at 200mhz, I get a readout of 800mhz HyperTransport in Central-Brain Identifier.. what!?!
I have tried changing to various other HTT values and it's all whacked out and random... For example:
If I set the HTT to 2x, in Central Brain Identifier, it's showing as 4x HTT..
And if I set 1x HTT at 250mhz, Central Brain shows HTT at 1000 mhz??
Also.. when I check the HTT speed in other software, like Sandra... it is reporting conflicting Hypertransport speeds.. Each of the softwares is reporting something different. The HTT is all freaked out on Neo4+Winchester core. What is going on?
This isn't happening on any other nForce4 boards with the same software and CPU.
This Winchester core CPU is running at 1000mhz HTT on two other nForce4 boards I've tried.
I have no idea what the HTT is truely even running a now, cause of such bugginess with this Neo4.
Apparently Neo4 has problems with Winchester core even at stock settings.
Why no word from MSI on this? Will MSI ever fix their problem with Winchesters that no other boards have.. Or will they cause more enthusiasts to lose faith and not buy MSI in the future? Does MSI even care?
...Omnihil

Tiresmoke no offence but ur a moderator of this forum. Whats stopping moderators reporting problems that users innocure due to the products MSI produce ? Your a moderator and a moderator should acctually be able to report the big problems with MSI. I'm not gettin on your back but when people start threads off about stuff thats wrong then we have the right to know... ill contact MSI about it now to see what they say and im sure they would come visit the forum if they new their product had faults....
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This Forum is a User-to-User support community for users of all ages. There is no MSI support to be found here. The moderators are not paid by MSI and do not work for MSI, we are users just like you.
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So how did you become a moderator and why ? If your just a user then why be a moderator ?????

K8N Neo4 Platinum (PCB 1.0) and AMD 64 3800+ X2

Help!
I have a K8N Neo4 Platinum (PCB 1.0) and it had an AMD 64 3200+ single core CPU.
Now I've upgraded to an AMD 64 3800+ X2 dual core but the BIOS and MS Vista are seeing only the one core.
The BIOS is at the latest version - 1.D.
Whats' going on?
Hitch.

Quote from: hitchhiker on 20-April-07, 08:44:57
This motherboard does support the X2 CPU right?
It's listed as supported on the MSI website but has nayone else got both cores running on it?
Hitch.
Yes it does support X2
Did you clear cmos with power cable disconnected from psu?
Look at my signature for link to proper method.

Memory not recognized on MSI Neo4 Platinum SLI

I just installed another 512mb of RAM on this system:
MSI Neo4 Platinum SLI
2 x 512mb Corsair XMS XL PRO
1 x 512mb Corsair XMS XL (the one that doesnt work)
IDE HDD
Windows XP PRO
BIOS, and every program i run that can see system specs shows that the infact all 3 Sticks
are recognizable. Though...Windows and a program that shows me my physical memory max both
point out i have only 1 gig of RAM!?
It's there, just not being used?
Now the only difference with the XL version and the XL PRO version is the heatspreader,
everything else is the same....so nothing should be conflicting.
Since the computer somehow knows all my part's details..im thinking just because
the new ram doesnt have PRO that it may not be recognized to work together.
Even so...ram should downclock etc with this motherboard...so this stupid little name
issue shouldnt cause the computer to ignore the ram!
I tried switching DIMM slots, no luck.
Any ideas?

It's a AMD64 dual memory channel system motherboard/CPU.
Valid memory populations are
1.stick in one of the channels .(single mode 64bits)
1.stick in each channel .(dual mode 128bits)
2. sticks in one of the channels.(single mode 64bits)
4.sticks ,2 in each channel.(dual mode 128bits)
3 sticks is n/a.
The population on memory controller , it's initialization and modeselection , single/dual mode is chosen by the A64 cpu.
It's been said that later rev.E cpus can autoselect unmatched population between channels (of e.g 3.sticks) and
set the whole memory pool in single mode.
But i have never seen anyone successfully test/run it .

MSI Neo4 Platinum with MSI GF6600GT PCI-e Freezes on games

I'm having this serious problem that my new build system freezes on games. Sometimes I can play for a few hours and sometimes I can play only a few minutes before the system freezes completely. Only a hardware reset helps in this case.
This is my hardware setup:
MSI Neo4 Platinum
MSI GF6600GT PCI-e
2 x 512MB DDR400 memory(in dual mode)
AMD 3200+ 64-bit processor
Sound Blaster Audigy
DVD Writer
Floppy
I'm using Windows XP SP2
What I tryd:
Tested with other RAM modules, same trouble
Reinstalled windows xp, same trouble
Tryd all kind of driver versions, same trouble
Flashed bios to 1.9, same trouble
Put a Zalman Cooler on the Video card (temperature now between 40 and 60 degrees in games instead of 80-100 degrees), same trouble
This is where my questions come:
There are two hardware components I cannot switch to try:
The mainboard and the Video card. Whitch one is most likely to be broken??
I have read in the manual of the mainboard that the PSU should have at least 18A on the 12+ signal. My PSU only haves 15A there. While I doubt this results in problems like this I still like to know if it does!
Please help me out on this one!

Have tried older drivers for you GFX, I find the late 6XXX work better for most games. You mite want to check the system is stable with:
Prime95, Memtest86, 3D mark 03 & 05.
You mite be having the same problems as "easlern", his games would lock up. This was due to to a problem with onboard sound Sound Blaster.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=84328.0
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=84328.msg603340#msg603340
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At that moment I didn't even know what was actually on my board, but I knew it was a generic card I was probably never going to use anyway, and I didn't recall getting any sound card updates for this board. So I looked in device manager, and bingo: AC97 device under multimedia devices. I immediately did two things to completely eliminate the rascal: updated the driver for it and promptly went to BIOS and disabled the sucker. Also disabled SATA group 2 (slots 3 and 4), the Marvell LAN because I only use one ethernet anyway (the nVidia one, which from what I was reading, was probably the more robust of the two), both RAID controllers (actually I had disabled them earlier to skip the annoying RAID setup screen), and put the PCIe bus back to 100MHz (rogue: I was wondering about possible damage over time with this too high too, so I was glad to try setting it back to normal!) Also ran Driver Cleaner to rip out the detonators even though I was putting in another nVidia, and then put in the 6800GT and installed drivers. (In case you were interested, my 3dMark05 score went from 3511 under the 6600GT to 4939 under the 6800GT! I now run in 1280x1024 at max effects and I'm completely spoiled in one night already! )
Anyway, one of these myriad, desperate attempts must have worked because I get neither audio stutters (should have been a freaking clue in the first place, duh!) nor lock ups.
Since this is the first PC I've built, I was certain I had to have screwed something up hardware-wise or found some combination that had incompatibilities. If it WAS just the freaking sound card driver I'm going to leave this place in shame and never post again! In my defense, the MSI Update utility didn't show any updated sound drivers for me, and I had assumed it was being pre-empted by my SB Live in any case.
I was convinced this problem was (if it is indeed gone) a video card issue but I can't say it ever was without putting the 6600 back in and running for several hours. I'm going to bet it was the AC97 though because nVidia boards have always been fantastic for me, I haven't had any actual motherboard issues, my RAM and CPU are just fine, and Win2k has never let me down.
Don't assume anything, though, I've learned.
One thing to note: when I was checking out the AC97, I noticed it was *sharing* IRQ 20 with the nForce NIC detector (might have a different name, I can't remember right now). Apparently this is a capability of Win2k to share IRQs but it kind of added to my suspicions anyway.
I'll let you know how the next few sessions go and whether this issue is still an issue

My feeble attempt at a MB comparison - Asus A8N-E vs MSI Neo4 Platinum

Hi all,
I just thought I'd share a post I just finished submitting at the Asus forum. Here's my experience, in a nutshell, with both the Asus A8N-E and the K8N Neo4 Platinum:
I've decided to give up on the A8N-E and Asus (for now) in favor of the MSI Neo4 Platinum. The layout of the Asus board is top notch, but there are some significant issues with it.
The CUSL2 turned me into a huge Asus fan, but no more. After a week of playing with both here's my review:
Asus A8N-E (v2.0)
Pro's
-Superior Layout - See Neo4 cons below. However, there are two electrolytic capacitors on the back end that had to be nudged out of the way to install my 6600GT.
-No superfluous features.
-Stable
-Performance on par with other nF4 mobos.
-I love the Ctrl-Esc wake up feature and will sorely miss it.
Con's
-Will not run 2225 OCZ Gold Dual Channel RAM any faster than 2325 (bios must be reflashed).
-Quirky recovery features. You need the mobo CD or floppy disk. Also, there was one instance where it failed to post (due to 2225 memory timings) while running v1008 and I kept getting a BIOS checksum error when reflashing with v1008. Had to reflash with v1006. Also, one time I didn't get a checksum error, just a lot of beeps. Clearing the CMOS proved troublesome as shown in the next issue.
-Cheap battery terminal. IMO you should not pull the battery when clearing the CMOS with the Jumper (even though the manual says you should). It doesn't have a lever to eject the battery (just two little teeth holding it in) and my battery lost contact with the terminals when I put it back in. Afterwards, when I unplugged the PS the settings in the BIOS were reset.
-Somewhat limited instruction manual.
-Asus LiveUpdate failed to connect to a server on several repeated attempts. It never connected successfully.
-There was no Mobo installation CD in my box!
-This forum software and layout is really limited and frustrating.
-It's been three days now and still no reply to my tech support inquery regarding 2225 memory timings.
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum (v1.0)
Pro's
-Runs 2225 OCZ Gold Dual Channel RAM at 2225, no issues whatsoever.
-More reliable Bios/System utility. There's a button to load BIOS setup defaults in case of problems. Autorecovery feature flashes factory BIOS version embedded in mobo Core Cell chip.
-Packaging is simply beautiful. Obviously not a big reason to buy it but trust me, it's exceptional.
-Extensive instruction manual, test report, and large fold out color diagram of layout.
-Add-on module with diagnostic LED's.
-Stable
-Performance on par with other nF4 mobos.
-MSI version of LiveUpdate worked flawlessy on every occasion.
-Cheaper than A8N-E with rebate.
-Firewire port
Con's
-Inferior layout, although still better than others (ie Epox 9NPA+ and ATX power connectors). SATA connectors get in the way of my HDD's. x16 PCIe socket sits below x4 PCIe and x1 PCIe slots. This orientation causes my long 6600GT card to get in the way of the back end of one of my HDD's.
-Who need's DUAL Lan? And the ability to run 8 SATA devices is overkill IMO.
-CPU Heatsink Fan mount backplate is GLUED to the backside of the PCB. Had to remove it with a credit card and a hair dryer to make room for my Zalman.
As I'm sure most of your would agree the Memory timing issue with the A8N-E was the deal breaker. I'm sure in time Asus will get around to fixing this with a bios revision. The faulty battery interface was also a downer.
For now, so long Asus! Good luck A8N owners!
Jason

One big pro for the MSI you forgot to mention is this forum. This is by far one of the best forums for any motherboard manufacturer (if only ATI would get the hint ).
IMO I like the 8 SATA ports. I have 4 hard drives in my system, and I am desperately needing more. I have one more SATA slot to fill before I am out. Some people are absolute packrats (like me ) and they need the additional hard drive ports. The other benefit is you can end up using this as a low end server board (which I will be doing in the next couple of weeks). It is by far cheaper then getting a system with opterons. Instead I can just get an X2 for alot less, plus I don't have to spend the extra to get registered memory.
The dual lan can be really help who use ICS. This way they don't have to purchase a router.
Both of these I don't see as cons, as they really don't cause a problem. For you I just wouldn't list them as pros.
But thanks for sharing your ideas, hopefully this can become helpful to others who are determining what mobo to buy.
Have Fun
Jeremy

MSI Neo4-F & Athlon64 3700+ E6 1T/2T Memory Timing missing in BIOS

Hi. This is my first post. I need help with my new MSI Neo4-F motherboard. The problem is that 1T/2T Memory Timing is not present in the latest BIOS v.1D. MSI website says that my CPU (San Diego 3700+ E6) is supported by the motherboard but there is no way to control the command rate of the memory thru the BIOS. So far I've been using A64 Tweaker to change command rate to 1T from Windows. Previously I used this CPU with the same memory Kingston KHX3200AK2/1G for another motherboard (MSI Diamond Plus) and I didn't have any problems being able to change the 1T/2T memory timing settings thru the BIOS. I wrote couple of e-mails to MSI TEchnical support but i didn't get a response. Does anyone have any ideas that would help me resolve this issue? Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks a lot in advance!

Quote from: BG84 on 05-July-06, 02:57:00
its supposed to be there, i have a 3500+ and a 3800+ and its there, but why does it depend on the cpu if the 1t is there anyway, ?, its there with the 1a 1b 1c and 1d, in dram configuration, second auto put it to manual and 1t, youre supposed to gain a 4% performance, which youre not going to see at all.
Sorry to disagree with your 4% figure but using the 1T setting on the A64s makes a huge difference.
I did a quick check on my current rig using 3dmark 03 and the difference in CPU score was 485 vice 554 making an improvement of over 12%!
I know it's not the best of tests to use for this, but it was quick and points to the "noticable" improvement I've found while doing OC benchmarking with a variety of programs.
Not trying to be argumentative, but I didn't want anybody reading this thread in the future to dismiss the "1T" option as being unimportant.

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what you guys think:msi neo4 and an asus wifi pci card will work together?anyway is my only option for wireless lan

I wouldn't try that they could be incompatible and kill each other... Just kidding....
The only way to know is by testing it...you'll never know....the Asus is a PCI card like any other, I think...
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