MSI NX7600GS AGP direct3d problem

hallo,
recently i replaced my MSI GF4ti4200 (128MB) with the NX7600GS
i did a lot of testing already so i've tried to make an overview
(i've tested OpenGL with Doom3 and Direct3D with 3Dmark2001,2003,2005)
in al my test situations, 2D works perfect
i have an older motherboard (VIA KT133)
AGP4x mode with Fast Writes
- OpenGL = crash when entering 3D mode
- Direct3D = crash when entering 3D mode
AGP4x mode without Fast Writes
- OpenGL = crash when entering 3D mode
- Direct3D = works, but heavy graphic corruption (clipping errors, texture errors)
AGP2x mode with/without Fast Writes
- OpenGL = works perfect
- Direct3D = works, but very heavy graphic corruption (clipping errors, texture errors)
so i guess my motherboards AGP port isn't that good (although the GF4 always ran very stable at AGP4x with FW)
because it doesn't make lots of difference i do not care about AGP2x or 4x, but i get the feeling Direct3D seems to do better in AGP4x mode
i already tested the VIA drivers for my motherboard (old and new ones) and various nVidia drivers (there were a lot on the MSI install cd, but few of them work with a 7600)
the card is OK cause i got it to run perfect in Windows2000 in AGP4x mode, but then i installed WindowsXP...
(i already reinstalled Windows2000, but i did not get to run anymore cause for some reason)
Some cards change frequency's when entering 3Dmode, does this card do that too? and how can is disable this (some people say this causes problems on older motherboards)
any suggestion is welcome

Quote from: ivangelion on 09-October-06, 22:52:15
not all agp4x mobos can handle agp8x vga... i had experienced that.
i didn't know if that vga has extra power conector, if not maybe the mobo cant give enough power to the vga.
if there is an extra power connector then must be attached, and the psu is important, not only the wattage, but the amp on each rail. so post detailed specs of your psu. good look
yep catfishjvl folow ivangelion advice and paste PSU details which i has been asked before.
agreed, there is 3-4 simular cases with old VIA chipset board and simular problem. all is unresolved for now.
catfishjvl you can try to push AGP voltage to 1.6V may help. and retest. but dont go more than 1.6V

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Hi!
Sorry for the mistakes, I'm french.
I have a MSI NX7600GS-TD256X AGP as graphic card but any drivers is ok with this card. In the list of products nvidia and msi, it doesn't exist. So i don't know what i can do because i can't play at any game without this driver.
Thaks for your tip,
mmoussouni.

Just drop the X and you have your card here:
http://eu.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=130&prod_no=839
http://eu.msi.com/index.php?func=searchresult&keywords=7600GS
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There is a "Z"-Card: NX7600GS-TD256Z: http://eu.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=130&prod_no=1142 ... but no "X" card.
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Don't think you have to flash the BIOS. Nor do I think there is a problem with the mobo.
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I modded my MSI 6600GT AGP

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I didn't want to flash the bios for the temperature, so I attached this probe to the GPU.
http://www.bestbyteinc.com/prodinfo.asp?number=SEN-CNU-001
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I don't think both of the heatsinks are copper. Because when I removed the heatsink I could see in the threads of where the support arms get screwed into and it wasn't the same color as copper. I think they are copper colored anodized aluminum or maybe even copper covered aluminum if that is even possible. My best guess is they are not copper. The color is slightly wrong to be true copper.
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You need to press down slightly on one side of the back support bar and swing if off of the post. If you look at the support bar both ends are different. One side has little metal nubs that need to clear the post to swing it off. The other end is shaped like a C and just rides on the groove in the other post.
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I took four copper slugs around the size of a penny, and thinned them down to get the right height of the pads. The pads were removed to be replaced by the copper slugs. It took a very long time to do this. I would take one and rest it on the memory. Then I would use a small straight edge ruler to test the height with the GPU. The copper slugs have to be at the same exact height or slightly lower then the GPU or the heatsink will not make proper contact with the GPU.
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Quote from: akeer on 16-February-05, 18:17:49
fw off, agp set to 4x.... many times tried this with various drivers (also setting the 2d and 3d speed to the same and many other trix...)
also tried to unplug devices... no help.... as I said if I help the cooling with really biiiiiiig fan underneath the card, it will not freeze... but 12cm fan at full speed generates looooooots of noise ))
it seems that aftermarket cooling (e.g. Zalman vf700cu) is the only solution
thanx and have a nice day
Here is something I just thought of. There are a lot of components on the board. There might a possibility one of them is not working very well when it heats up.
The GPU could also be overheating, but you have to understand something here.
The 6600GT has automatic core slowdown if it gets too hot so how could you have damaaged it? If you didn't put on enough thermal compound or the heatsink wasn't tight enough the core would slowdown to protect itself from heat damage.
If it was damaged by heat going by everything I know so far, it would probably only be damaged in the first few seconds right after you turn the computer on, but even then that would probably only happen if there was no heatsink attached at all.
Another thing to consider. I have an idle temperature of around 34C using the probe, the internal temperature would be slightly higher so lets say it's around 40C. The highest load temperature I have seen has been around 55C with the probe, so lets say inside its around 60C inside.
Those temperatures using the stock heatsink are very good. So what I am saying is even if you get a new heatsink, it might lower the temperature a bit on the card...but I doubt it will help with any heat related problems your describing.
If that stock "heatsink is on correctly" it should be more then enough to keep the card cool.
Maybe you should take the chance and flash the bios so you can see the actual internal temperature of the card. At this point it really doesn't matter because you can't return it anyway, but there is always a slight risk flashing a bios.
There is a forum here that will explain flashing the bios if you decide to do it.
http://www.mvktech.net

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I'm not good at AGP technology, but what I take in from it, is that the AGP port is fully opened already, and 4X or 8X AGP don't make a difference. The roof is already reached, you could say.
As close as I can find out you have a XFX, no sorry, a PINE, no sorry, a AZZA mainboard with a KT400 (no 'a') chipset that 'offically' supports the 100 (200) and 133 (266) mhz buss speeds.
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Into this board you have inserted a 166 (333) mhz processor (AMD Athlon XP 2500+).
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Quote from: Glenn on 27-February-05, 07:49:55
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