MSI P31 NEO

Hi!
I'm TyrrelCorp, and i'm from Portugal.
First of all... i apologise for my english... it's a little bit "rusty".
So... the problem:
I've a MSI P31 NEO mainboard. Until now it gave no problems, but when i upgrated from 2GB memory to 4GB... it doesn't load Windows.
I've 4x1GB, 667MHz sticks.
My system is:
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bits SP1 - http://windows.microsoft.com/pt-PT/windows7/products/compare?T1=tab09
Mainboard: MSI P31 NEO - http://www.msi.com/product/mb/P31-Neo.html#Spec
Chipset: Intel P31 - http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/chipsets/p31/p31-overview.htm
CPU: Intel Core2 Duo E6300 1.86 Ghz - http://ark.intel.com/products/27248/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-E6300-%282M-Cache-1_86-GHz-1066-MHz-FSB%29
Memory: 4x1GB DDR2 667 MHz (2x OEM + 2x Kingstone)
HDD: Samsung 300GB SATA I/WD 1TB/WD 500GB/WD 1TB
Video: ATI Radeon HD 5450 - http://www.amd.com/br/products/desktop/graphics/ati-radeon-hd-5000/hd-5450-overview/Pages/hd-5450-overview.aspx
Sound: Realtek High Definition Audio Codecs - http://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsCheck.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=24&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false#High%20Definition%20Audio%20Codecs
Optical: LG GSA-H20L - http://www.videohelp.com/dvdwriters/lg-gsa-h20l/1561
Cooling: Artic Cooling Freezer 7 PRO REV.2 - http://hi-techreviews.com/index.php/review-links-mainmenu-80/9878-arctic-cooling-freezer-7-pro-rev-2
Powersupply: LPJ12 500 TC Silent - OEM
I've already trieded with two sticks only, 2GB... and it starts fine. All the memory sticks work fine... in pair. All four, nothing.
Thanks...

Quote from: Henry on 17-July-11, 05:38:00
"I've noticed that two of the memory sticks are single sided and the other two are dual sided! Could this be the origin for the problem?"
It seems you are using 2 high density sticks and 2 low density sticks. tRFC would certainly be different between the 2. Don't mix memory like that as you will have problems. To avoid memory problems like that ensure that all 4 are the same. Best would be 2x4 GB kit. At the very least get another kit the same as the 2 new ones and don't use the old ones.
Well... i thought memory sticks would have to be same capacity (this case, 1Gb) and same velocity, 667MHZ.
Never thought about SS or DS.
In this case... the older ones, OEM, are DS... the new ones, Kingstone, are SS... witch are better to keep and to buy new ones?

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Problems with MSI P31 Neo mobo

Hello all,
I just received my new MSI P31 Neo motherboard today and have spent nearly the whole day trying to get it to work.
My problem is that when you turn the system on about 4/5 times there is no graphics displayed what so ever. When the graphics do come on and you can go through the BIOS it quite often jams. If occasionally you do get past that, when the Windows XP disc starts to load the files for the installer, it Jams and you need to restart, restarting this long process.
My CPU is supposed to be supported, it's a 3.6ghz Intel Pentium 4 chip. I am using 4 x Samsung Original 1024MB DDR2 PC5300 RAM though it only shows 2gb of it in the BIOS. The graphics card is a NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 512MB PCI-E.
Can anyone tell me how to get this mobo to work? Things to try? Otherwise I think I will just have to send it back...
techie5487

Quote from: techie5487 on 24-January-08, 07:34:41
UPDATE:
I tried booting with 2 RAM Chips and it works great! This seemed to be the problem.
The ram IS double sided which would explain it.
If you are wanting some more system specs, just ask and I will try and get the most I can.
Del UK:
If I could run 4gb it would be great but I cannot seem to find the SPD in bios. My BIOS is American Megatrends Inc. v02.61 so it would be great if you could help me with that!
If all else fails I might either just settle with 2GB or buy some new RAM chips. Can anyone please tell me some Ram chips which would be able to give this mobo 4GB?
Thanks
techie5487
Done
2 Gb in
Into bios
SPD off
Set to 5-5-5-15
Save settings
Power off
Install extra 2 x 1Gb modules into slots 2 & 4
Power system up
4Gb detected................. slow post not fast
3.25Gb checked
1 second delay
4096Mb
3.25Gb extend
768Mb in +4Gb
System sees 3.25Gb

MSI P31 Neo-F V2 - Fails to Boot

I've got an MSI P31 Neo-F V2 motherboard that I've had for about about 16 months now. Unfortunately today it's just started failing to boot correctly.
I turned the machine on and was greeted with a red error message just after the usb controller was initalized. The message said "Warning !!! The previous performance of overclocking is failed and the system is restored to the default settings. Press any key except "DEL" to enter SETUP......."
I haven't overclocked the machine (don't know how) so I'm not quite sure why that error message was coming up. Anyway, I pressed space, that prompted me to restore settings which I did, then took me to setup where I saved and exited. Then tried to restart the machine. From this point on (about 30 restarts) I've had that message twice. Normally it does one of the following:
a) Powers up, no bleeps, no video output. Sits there waiting.
b) Powers up for a few seconds, then powers straight back down. Waits about 10 seconds, then repeats. Eventually after enough retries it will reach the some point as (a).
I've tried disconnecting power, I've tried taking the CMOS battery out. The last time I got to the error message my USB keyboard wouldn't even work so I couldn't do anything but restart. If anyone has any suggestions on what to do then fire away, as I'm really stuck now
I don't know what version of the BIOS I'm running as I can't get that far anymore. Apart from the CPU which I'm not sure is important? (Intel Duo 3Ghz) I'm not sure on much more info on my system.
Thanks.
Ian

Ok, I've managed to find an old photo of the Bios.
Bios: A7392IMS V2.1 080608 is the number top left.
CPU : Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0Ghz
Gfx : 512Mb NiVidia GeForce 9800GTX+
Mem: 2 X 2GB DDR 2 800 MHz (will try and find out brand).
H/D : 2 * 160Gb drives. One is Seagate, the other Western Digital, both SATA 2.
OS : XP not that it's really relevant...
PSU : 800W. Don't know brand and DC current output. Will try to get these.

Cant boot MSI P31 Neo v2

Hi. First of all sorry for my bad english.
So I have this PC for 1,5 years now, never had this problem before.
One day I start my pc and it shows "Warning!!! The previous performance of overclocking is failed and the system restored to the default settings...." Press del to enter setup.
So I press del and enter setup, then i use fail safe deafaults settings and exit bios. Pc starts normaly. Next time I turn it off same message came up, so i did the same fails safe deafaults, but no effect, it just restarted and again same message. So i decided to try optimized deafaults and pc started. And again next time i turned it un same message, i tried fail safe deafaults, then optimized and no effect. After about 10 times trying those setting pc started, so i googled the problem and the suggestion was to flush cmos by removing batteri. So i did. After that pc isnt starting at all, just nothing on screen, no signal. No error beeps or something like that. All coolers, cd room ect is powered, just no signal on monitor. Checked the monitor with another pc, runs normaly.
So the system specs-
Intel core E7300 2.66ghz
Msi p31 neo-f v2
A-data 1gb ddr2
A-data 1gb ddr2 (tried with one ddr only, nothing)
samsung f1 750gb sata2 7200rpm
Giga byte 512mb gddr3 pcie16 hd4850
Fortron psu atx 400w
bios - A7392IMS200
I have checked all the wire contacts,ddr slots, vga slot, removed and inserted back CPU too, no help.
Any ideas?

I would check the CPU/Ram. this system was overclocked?

MOVED: MSI P31 Neo and FSB/DDR ratio

This topic has been moved to Overclockers & Modding Corner.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116635.0

Hello Aacko,
the P31 Neo is a budget board that is not really designed for overclocking (notice the red PCB). The P31 chipset supports DDR2-667 and DDR2-800 memory modules. With a FSB-200-MHZ-CPU installed, 1:1.66 and 1:2 are exactly the ratios you need to get your RAM to 667 MHz or 800 MHz.
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Can I do something about this or should I swap P31 Neo to some P35-chipset mobo that would allow more flexible FSB/DDR ratio settings?
If you really want to overclock, you should go for a P35 Platinum or P35 Neo2-FR/FIR board.

MSI P31 Neo and FSB/DDR ratio

I purchased P31 Neo -mb and E2160 processor.
I've red that this processor could easily hit 3.0 Ghz with 333 mhz fsb. The problem is that I can't find a setting from P31 Neo's bios that would allow to unlock FSB/DDR ratio. There is only Auto, 1:1.66 and 1:2 setting for FSB/DDR ratio. When I raise the FSB the DDR speed quickly raises over 800 Mhz and the system doesn't post. 2160 Mhz is the top that i've managed to overclock E2160 because my DDR2-chips can't handle the higher FSB speeds.
Can I do something about this or should I swap P31 Neo to some P35-chipset mobo that would allow more flexible FSB/DDR ratio settings?

Hello Aacko,
the P31 Neo is a budget board that is not really designed for overclocking (notice the red PCB). The P31 chipset supports DDR2-667 and DDR2-800 memory modules. With a FSB-200-MHZ-CPU installed, 1:1.66 and 1:2 are exactly the ratios you need to get your RAM to 667 MHz or 800 MHz.
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Can I do something about this or should I swap P31 Neo to some P35-chipset mobo that would allow more flexible FSB/DDR ratio settings?
If you really want to overclock, you should go for a P35 Platinum or P35 Neo2-FR/FIR board.

MSI P31 Neo Bios help

Hi everybody. I have an old style P31 Neo which supports ddr2 800 mhz ram. Now i can not make any overlock even 1 fsb. What is my problem. Bios or anything else. i have an E6750 and corsair 2x1 ddr2 800. these parts was working @3,2 and 1066 mhz with P43 mainboard. But with the P31 they are on standarts. Need your help. Thanks

does it manage to detect any ide devices at all? if not then its probable maste/slave jumper settings... if it does detect them, then its probably cos u need to install windows

[SOLVED]MSI P31 Neo -mobo and strange network problems

I can't get network to work properly with this MSI-mobo's integrated lan chip.
When I boot from Arch install cd r8169-module is loaded and I can get ip via dhcp. Strange thing is that I can access http but not ftp. When I change transfermode to passive from links ftp works. But during Arch install setup I can't access the repos.
When I boot to Arch after install network doesn't work at all. Only thing I get is resolv-errors when I try to use wget or pacman. R8169 module is loaded at boot and Ifconfig shows that I have ip assigned to eth0.
I also tried with 3com's 3c509 network card that I had laying around and I have exactly same network problems with it as I have with r8169.
I am really going out of my mind with this. I have a laptop with via's network chip and I've never had any network problems with it and Arch. I haven't changed anything in my routers setup and I just tried and the networking on my laptop works just fine.
I also tried Ubuntu Hardy on this desktop machine and networking works ok. Ubuntu also loads the r8169 module as Arch does.
Last edited by Aakko (2008-05-18 21:18:29)

Quote from: techie5487 on 24-January-08, 07:34:41
UPDATE:
I tried booting with 2 RAM Chips and it works great! This seemed to be the problem.
The ram IS double sided which would explain it.
If you are wanting some more system specs, just ask and I will try and get the most I can.
Del UK:
If I could run 4gb it would be great but I cannot seem to find the SPD in bios. My BIOS is American Megatrends Inc. v02.61 so it would be great if you could help me with that!
If all else fails I might either just settle with 2GB or buy some new RAM chips. Can anyone please tell me some Ram chips which would be able to give this mobo 4GB?
Thanks
techie5487
Done
2 Gb in
Into bios
SPD off
Set to 5-5-5-15
Save settings
Power off
Install extra 2 x 1Gb modules into slots 2 & 4
Power system up
4Gb detected................. slow post not fast
3.25Gb checked
1 second delay
4096Mb
3.25Gb extend
768Mb in +4Gb
System sees 3.25Gb

MOVED: MSI P31 Neo Bios help

This topic has been moved to Overclockers & Modding Corner.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=125360.0

Ok, I've managed to find an old photo of the Bios.
Bios: A7392IMS V2.1 080608 is the number top left.
CPU : Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0Ghz
Gfx : 512Mb NiVidia GeForce 9800GTX+
Mem: 2 X 2GB DDR 2 800 MHz (will try and find out brand).
H/D : 2 * 160Gb drives. One is Seagate, the other Western Digital, both SATA 2.
OS : XP not that it's really relevant...
PSU : 800W. Don't know brand and DC current output. Will try to get these.

Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI) support on a "P31 NEO-F"

hi all.. does my mainboard ( msi p31 neo-f ) supports native Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI) to use hdd hotplug with one sata>esata bracket?

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not having a "safely remove hardware and eject media" its always a bit scary! some cached files will not be dumped to the hdd and cause errors.
Again, as long as you do not remove the hard drive (or plug it in) while the system is running, there will be no problem.

Fsb/dram ratio on p31 neo

hi,
i have p31 neo board. in bios the only option for fsb/dram ratio is 1.1.66 and 1.2. with this option overclock is almost imposible (fsb <240)
a bios update will resolve problem or i can't do anithing.
thanks
msi p31 neo
pentium dual core 2160
2*1 gb ddr2 pc 6400
wd 3200aaks
gainward 8600gt
corsair vx450
case asus

Actually, the system should start even with DDR2-1066 memory installed, but it should recognize it as DDR2-800. You will not have additional memory dividers when inserting DDR2-1066 RAM. You even be able to increase memory speed beyond DDR2-800 MHz by increasing FSB Clock Speed. However, there is no guarantee that you can successfully make your RAM operate its rated speed.
If you are really planning to overclock your system, you may be better of looking for a board that is more up to this task (P35 Neo2/P35 Platinum would be a much better choice in this case.)

P31 Neo-F - I don't have 1:1 FSB\memory ratio

MSI P31 Neo-F (Bios 1.2) Rev 1.0
Corsair 6400XMS2 2 x 1Gb (Dimm1 & Dimm3)
Core2Duo 4300
Core2Duo 6300
The BIOS sees both sticks of RAM. I have tried slots 2 & 4 in desperation as well.
I can not get 1:1 memory ratio.
With the 4300 I get AUTO\1:1.66\1:2. Set to Auto it runs at 1:1.6
With the 6300 I get AUTO\1:1.25\1:1.5 (if my memory servers me right). Set to Auto it runs at 1:1.25
I have cleared the BIOS many times. What am I doing wrong?

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The Corsair memory is DDR2-800 isn't it?
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Corsair 6400XMS2 2 x 1Gb (Dimm1 & Dimm3)
Yes, and there should be no problem making your RAM operate @800 Mhz by choosing the proper FSB/DRAM ratio in BIOS.
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My MSI P35 Plat runs with the same memory at 1:1 fine with the same processor. So are you saying the P31 can not do the same?
I know, this matter is complicated, but I will try to explain and to give you at least a partial answer. P31 and P35 chipsets do not use the same memory controllers. Have a look at the Intel Datasheets for both memory controllers:
P31 / 82P31 Memory Controller Hub (MCH) --> DATASHEET
Page 21:
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Supports Front Side Bus (FSB) at the following Frequency Ranges: - 800/1066 (200/266MHz)
and Page 25:
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Differential Host clock of 200/266 MHz (HCLKP/HCLKN). Supports transfer rates of
800/1066 MT/s.
Compare to:
P35 / 82P35 Memory Controller Hub (MCH) --> DATASHEET
Page 27:
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Supports Front Side Bus (FSB) at 800/1066/1333 MT/s (200/266/333 MHz)
and Page 31:
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Differential Host clock of 200/266/333 MHz (HCLKP/HCLKN). Supports transfer
rates of 800/1066/1333 MT/s.
As you can see, according to Intel specs, the P31 chipset itseld does not offer native support for CPUs that operate @333 (1333) MHz FSB Clock Speed. That is why, from a chipset point of view, the number and variety of possible dividers is less compared to the P35 chipset. Looking at the differential between FSB and Memory Clock speed you can also see that 1:1.25/1.1.5 (E4300) and 1:1.66/1:2 (E6300) are the native chipset ratios to match DDR2-667 and DDR2-800 RAM with FSB/200 MHz and FSB/266 MHz processors.
Of course, in practice chipset limitations can be exceeded by BIOS programming to a certain degree. That is why P31 boards actually do support FSB/333 MHz CPUs, but the support is not native. Have a look >>here<< as well.
The only situation in which you actually need the 1:1 memory divider is overclocking, but since this a budget board not meant to be put to excessive OC use, BIOS implementation of memory dividers that go beyond Intel specs is limited. After all, it is a matter of price/performance. The MSI P31 Neo-F matches the Intel specs and exceeds them when it comes to FSB/333 MHz processors, there is no real mistake here. I can find nothing in the Intel specs nor in the MSI Product information that says there has to be a 1:1 ratio implemented at all costs.
There is a chance, of course, that MSI will implement more memory dividers in a future BIOS release. Try contacting MSI, maybe they can give you a more definate answer this one:
http://ocss.msi.com.tw/
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The Intel chipset is capable of offering 1:1
Capable: yes, native support: no.
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The issue is MSIs implementation of it = BIOS.
You are most likely right about BIOS implementation in general, but I don't see a reason to call it an issue at this point.

P31 Neo-F - E6550

MSI P31 Neo-F (Bios 1.2) Rev 1.0
Corsair 6400XMS2 2 x 1Gb (Dimm1 & Dimm3)
C2D E6550 (7x333=2.33Ghz by default)
I cannot overclock this by even one hertz.
I have FSB\memory ratio at 1:1 so that memory is at 667 and CPU is at 1333 which is all fine. As soon as I up the CPU\FSB it won't reboot. Is 1333 as fast as this board can handle?

Quote from: BOD on 06-March-08, 02:05:20
Thats a daft reply as it blatantly allows you to modify everything.
Daft, but true and to the point. I could of wrote a load of rubbish if you wanted?

P31 Neo-F V2 Overclock error - (constant) turn on / turn off

First excuse my english.
System was running fine since Sep. 2008. Today when i turned on the PC it started for a few secs and then powered down. I thought maybe the power went down for a split second (but it didn't). Turned on again and then i got the overclocking error in red. I never did overclock anything. Entered BIOS and loaded default (optimized settings) and somehow managed to get in windows. I turn up speedfan to see the temps and see the GPU 78C when it was 66 just yesterday (and that with 40C outside). Same with CPU 36C idle but it was 32-33 yesterday. Everything got hotter. So it probably is connected with that error and i search the net, read here and there on the topic land up here and read the topics of people with similar problems. And from here on the show begins.
I tried everything mentioned in the MSI video Clean CMOS and everything mentioned in the topics here with no luck. Between one hundred turn ons and turn offs i got the luck to actually power up the pc and enter BIOS to load the defaults, twice even managed to go back in windows but everything goes in the same loop over and over just after restart. I even tried the same method (as in the video) on the jumpers on JFSB 1-2 (dont know if i should've done that but...) with no results. It powered up instantly when i removed the memory modules but there was only a black hole on my screen.
I spent whole day trying this and that. Whenever i press the power button it just goes into TURN ON - TURN OFF endless cycle and thats it . Help is REALLY appreciated.
Tech Specs:
BIOS: v02.61 (probably)
MB: P31 Neo V2 (MS-7392 V 1.2) (red one)
CPU: Core 2 Duo E4600 2.4 GHz
RAM: 2X Sycron 1GB DDR II 800 MHz (DIMM 1 / DIMM 3)
GPU: Gigabyte / nVidia GeForce 8600 GT 256 MB
HDD: Samsung SATA 250 GB / 7200 RPM / 16 MB
PSU: Delux ATX-450W P4
OS: Win XP SP3 + all updates

I sent my pc on repair.
For anyone else that will (hopefully not) have this sort of problem it's the boards fault. If your MB isn't roasted i.e. doesn't show visible signs of damage (as in my case) then there might be a small possibility of getting it fixed (manually ripping the bios chip from the MB, reset/test it, replace it with another). If there isn't a viable fix it's time to dig for another MB.
(*BAD MSI* )

P31 Neo V2 (MS-7392) & Windows 7 installation issue(s)

Hi,
I have a P31 Neo V2 (MS-7392) with a QuadCore Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550, 2833 MHz (8.5 x 333) and 2GB of Ram.
On windows xp the system runs and installs fine.
Now, I want to install a legal copy of Windows 7, but the install locks up.
Starting install works, can create the partition, can select OS language etc. Then install starts to copy windows files, still all is fine.
After this bit, the extracting of files starts, and eventually stalls. The whole machine freezes!
After reading through a load of internet pages, I have figured out that all peripherals need to be disconnected (USB, additional PCI cards, etc), which I did... restart of installation same issue.
Doing some more read work... loads of people have issues with the AHCI of the SATA drives. Turn it off, they say.
unfortunately... I cannot find the option to disable the AHCI in the bios... it's just not there!
I hope someone else can help me out on finding the option... but... probably I cannot use this MB with Windows 7, unless MSI comes up with the option to disable AHCI.
Yes, I know AHCI greatly improves performance on the SATA drives, but for now... I'd like to install Windows 7 and start testing it on my system, for future use in the company. You know, testing of all applications written still work, etc, etc.
Help is being appreciated!
Cheers,
Arjan

What is your current BIOS Version?
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Doing some more read work... loads of people have issues with the AHCI of the SATA drives. Turn it off, they say.
unfortunately... I cannot find the option to disable the AHCI in the bios... it's just not there!
I hope someone else can help me out on finding the option... but... probably I cannot use this MB with Windows 7, unless MSI comes up with the option to disable AHCI.
Your are definately on the wrong track here. The P31 Neo V2 has an ICH7 Chipset which does not even support AHCI. But even if it did support AHCI, this would definately not be the cause of your problem because usually, when people have a problem with the Controller in AHCI Mode, the problem is related to Windows XP only (it does not include any AHCI Drivers) or that fact that the generic Vista or W7 AHCI Drivers are not good enough to ensure flawless operation. All of these issues can be solved by integrating the proper Intel AHCI Drivers for the SATA Controller. But again: Your board does not support AHCI but the Intel ICH7 SATA Controller runs in IDE/Compatibility mode. There are no drivers available (or needed) for this operating mode.
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unless MSI comes up with the option to disable AHCI.
All MSI Desktop Mainboards I know of (that support AHCI Mode) have an option to enable or disable this mode in BIOS. Your board does not have such an option because the chipset does not support it in the first place. The cases you read about probably have to do with certain notebooks that are sold with a preinstalled Vista version. The problems usually occur when people decide to install Windows XP without being aware that XP does not include any AHCI Drivers.
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The whole machine freezes!
There are a number of possible explanations for that. A memory problem is often something that causes the system to freeze.
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2GB of Ram
What brand/model are you using?

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